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hell no, i'm sick of that shit, i was going to paste the link to vic's articles but i can't find them
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Well let's face it, interpretation is all we can go by here, but his are surely the most well supported and, as I said, reasonable interpretations I've come across to date.
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Frankly, I find a lot of his conclusions laughably roundabout, and gives far too much credit to the band as an intellectual entity. In doing so he insists that whatever could be interpreted as Christian rhetoric could not possibly be so because the band was above that, and I simply don't believe that that is the case.
And interpretation is not the only thing we have to go on -- all four members of the original Black Sabbath are still alive and (more or less) well. How about you go interview them?
And interpretation is not the only thing we have to go on -- all four members of the original Black Sabbath are still alive and (more or less) well. How about you go interview them?
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On a more serious note though, I suppose I agree with you to an extent Dodens. To be honest I'm not as concerned as Vic is with the ideological slant running through Sabbath's music anyway, and certainly not with the stated beliefs of the band members. The ideas which remained common to the genre and defined its evolutional direction are incompatible with Christianity, regardless of the possibility that Sabbath's music was actually Christian and the bands which followed interpreted it wrongly (or also failed at expressing what they meant).
People seem to think that because Sabbath started things rolling, they're the best reference point for defining what metal really is (or is not), but to me this ignores the fact that they were still fairly grounded in the rock which came before, and the way metal evolved shows a movement away from that. Sabbath are far from being the *purest* expression of what metal is, much like Possessed are far from being the purest expression of what death metal is. We should, at least, be referring to the Sabbath songs which had most influence upon the way the genre subsequently evolved.
People seem to think that because Sabbath started things rolling, they're the best reference point for defining what metal really is (or is not), but to me this ignores the fact that they were still fairly grounded in the rock which came before, and the way metal evolved shows a movement away from that. Sabbath are far from being the *purest* expression of what metal is, much like Possessed are far from being the purest expression of what death metal is. We should, at least, be referring to the Sabbath songs which had most influence upon the way the genre subsequently evolved.
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The Timebird said:
I can't really disagree with this. In a sense I can understand the idea that the first would be the more pure essence, but that really leave out a great deal of the equation and would imply that everything flows linearly from that, which even the cloudiest ideas of the history of Metal would conclude simply was not the case. Black Sabbath may or may not have been a Christian band, but the implications that has on the ideology and development of Metal as a whole really is insignificant at best.
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You used to be so shit it wasn't even funny. It's funny now, so I guess you're climbing the ladder, rung by rung.
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His dissection of "After Forever" is frankly awful. You couldn't have invented a more contrived denial of the obvious intent of the song. If only Osbourne, Ward, Butler or Iommi had possessed that level of literary awareness, but to be frank, if they had, I suspect that they would have sucketh'd verily on thou cock.
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Completely WRONG. People have been believing in God way before Christianity or the bible were around. And guess what lots of people who don't believe in Christianity believe in God (i.e. a Creator), Sikhs, Hindus, Deists, etc.PanzerKunt said:
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Thoth-Amon said:
Lots of people are stupid and need to be ended. It's all a bunch of whinery, they should shut up and leave people alone.
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PanzerKunt said:
Great. But my point still stands... discussing the validity of the bible does not in and of it self mean discussing the validity of God. Only the Judeo-Christian God.
