Unfaithfully Metalhead
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yup I call that civil because it's true. Like I said since we last debated on that old thread in which you said you were ignore my posts from now on and you didn't this time. I think me saying that line was justified. But I'll get to that in a minute.Just for fun let us review the topic. First name calling/"attacks" I could find were: I have a hard on for you, yes, very civil.
take it as you want... but I'm just describing what you are... I wouldn't say I called you a A hole or anything.. or do you take it as that? ... Was it a insult to you or a accurate description of you..[Kind of sounds like name calling to me...
But I digress, this isn't the sort of behaviour I was referring to. I had a few things in mind:
Like I said I didn't remember what year(s) the article referred to since I read it like 10 years ago. Can you remember a article word for word that you read that long ago?.[1) Claiming a lack of "quality" in music caused a decline in record industry sales in the 1990s, while providing *no* evidence that there even *was* a significant decline. I show you RIAA year ends that don't show this decline and you essentially ignore them.
Again, yes you did make the statement. And I told you that I do not remember the thread name, so I had asked you to post the link to the thread because most likely you remember the thread name. I even offered to go through pages and pages in the thread to show you the line. But I just needed the link to the thread because i didn't remember the name. Understand now?[2) Asserting that I have made a statement in the past while providing no evidence. Then you call *me* lazy for not finding the evidence for you.
Everytime I posted? nope. Just when the thread is running pages of redundant posts from all involved in that particular topic. We all kept repeating ourselves to each other so what was the point of continuing?. We weren't going to change each other's minds. I slung shit back when it was slung at me first. That is how I am.I try not to sling anything first.But it does happen when I lose my cool. My age as a argument. Yup. One's experience to see certain things first hand & not just read about them is a good argument. For example can you argue about the happenings of Woodstock better then a Hippie or someone in the business side of things at the Festival who was there? (not me just a hypothetical). Because you read about it or consider yourself knowledgeable. Can I argue about your own experiences when I haven't experienced such things myself but I read about such experiences?. That was my argument for the age thing. And perhaps in 10 or 20 years some kid will argue with you about the era you grew up in. Maybe perhaps then you will consider age a factor in such things.[3) Acting defensive, asking for the discussion to end almost every time you post, calling out others for not carrying on a "mature" debate while slinging just as much shit as anyone else involved, using your age as an argument, etc.
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[So are you abandoning your previous positions now? This argument might give you a better chance at hitting on high quality albums, but the fundamental flaw to your argument remains: the only thing that solid record sales over time indicates is that the album has been popular over that time period. While you may equate popularity with quality, I hope you can understand why others don't. It has, I think, been sufficiently explained to you here.
I rethought it and to me time and albums that sell year after year (and doesn't have to be phenomenonal numbers since it's reasonable to say they won't sell 1 million a year but have respectable numbers)to me is a good indication of quality long after the fad faded away. A popular album like Britney Spears debut that both you and me as well as others can accurately describe as bad quality will not last the test of time. It will fade away to obscurity. But a album like Pink Floyd's Darkside of the Moon (among other albums from other bands/artists) that has been selling day in and day out since around 1973 can be construed as a good quality album that has lasted the test of time even if you are not a fan of that band or their music.It is more then just popularity with albums like that (PF's and others). You can say that the average music buyer subconciously can tell a good quality album like PF's DSOTM over Britney's debut. But anyways I never said I didn't understand your reasoning and opinions. I respect anyone's opinions. I just don't agree with it and that is all I am trying to get you to understand.To respect mine even if you think or know im totally wrong because I am entitled to my own opinion.
And like I said this topic has been beaten to a pulp with both sides just repeating themselves and that is why I had said just to let it go & let others post other controversial music topics. Simple as that. Nothing more or less.