Controversial opinions on metal

[no country for old wainds]

slayer, exodus, destruction, vio-lence, sepultura, metallica, overkill, voivod, sodom, sarcofago, mutilator, magnus, shah, aura noir, deceased, infernal majesty, slaughter, sacrifice, razor, carnivore, demolition hammer, holy terror, hypnosia, rigor mortis, aspid, coroner

that's my considered counter-argument to thrash sucking.

 

[requiem]

Thrash was the first genre of metal I really got into. It is now death metal. I imagine at some point it will be black metal.

Black metal is my favourite genre of metal. Like any genre there are more poor examples than good, but overall that's where I cast my vote.

Thrash and life-affirming death metal (in jogging suits with lyrics about politics, to paraphrase Oystein) just don't rate by comparison. Of course I'm exaggerating and I do like plenty of bands in those genres too.

 

[EspaDa]

Hexen rocks too.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Namedropping all of the great thrash bands would be hard as fuck. Such a godly subgenre.

 

[Vilden]

slayer, exodus, destruction, vio-lence, sepultura, metallica, overkill, voivod, sodom, sarcofago, mutilator, magnus, shah, aura noir, deceased, infernal majesty, slaughter, sacrifice, razor, carnivore, demolition hammer, holy terror, hypnosia, rigor mortis, aspid, coroner

that's my considered counter-argument to thrash sucking.

Yeah I like most of those bands too, but tbh, the last time I put on an album by any of this bands was quite awhile ago, I mean I've listened to Coroner in 2015 and I think I put on the Hypnosia-album atleast once but thats about it. I struggle to fint reasons not to just listen to some good OSDM or some epic trad metal instead.

One problem I think is that while thrash ofta has great riffs and good songs they aren't conveying the right atmosphere and escapism I usually seek when putting on some music.

 

[CiG]

This may be controversial, but I tend to dismiss the opinions of Black Metallers that aren't into Thrash Metal.
I've met some real goons when it comes to this paradox.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I tend do dismiss the opinion of any metalhead that's not into thrash.

 

[EspaDa]

Is it possible to like Death Metal and dislike Thrash? It would be a bit contradictory.

 

[CiG]

I really don't see how it's possible with both Black Metal and Death Metal.

 

[The Ozzman]

I really don't see how it's possible with both Black Metal and Death Metal.

Maybe with the early stuff, but there's a discernible difference with both at this point that I can see that happening. Thrash and Death toe the line so much even today that I don't think it's possible to dislike one or the other without seeming contradictory.

 

[alex76]

aspid

Aspid (Spain), which is, of course, what I assumed you meant:



Aspid (Russia), which one should also know exists as well:

 

[CiG]

Maybe with the early stuff, but there's a discernible difference with both at this point that I can see that happening. Thrash and Death toe the line so much even today that I don't think it's possible to dislike one or the other without seeming contradictory.

This is true, the connections between Thrash Metal and Death Metal is especially muddied and hard to see/feel.

 

[JontRevolting]

Yeah I like most of those bands too, but tbh, the last time I put on an album by any of this bands was quite awhile ago, I mean I've listened to Coroner in 2015 and I think I put on the Hypnosia-album atleast once but thats about it. I struggle to fint reasons not to just listen to some good OSDM or some epic trad metal instead.

One problem I think is that while thrash ofta has great riffs and good songs they aren't conveying the right atmosphere and escapism I usually seek when putting on some music.

This 100%.

 

[alex76]

Are we all just a bunch of old fogies living in the past?

 

[CiG]

I'm literally playing Banjo-Kazooie right now. So yes. No shame.

 

[alex76]

No shame at all. For some reason, over the last month I have been on a Destruction kick. I just finished listening to "Satan's Vengeance". I love the way that song finishes. Some of their stuff is like a thrash version of freebasing crystal meth. Just a quick shot and you are so fucking good. It is hard to give due time and credit to new stuff in the face of that.

 

[Carpe Mortem]

My idea of 'good' black metal is usually heavily tinged with doom and atmospheric almost to the point of 'savage symphonic', so I think it's very possible to like one and not the other. For the most part, I'm not a big thrash fan. I honestly find it, and most other high-tempo music, exhausting.

Unless I'm at a show. Then I love it. Different situations for different music for sure.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Is it possible to like Death Metal and dislike Thrash? It would be a bit contradictory.

i've ran across some weirdos like that. Even a few over here throughout the years. Its usually some youngster who got into death metal around the late 90's or early 00's when thrash had largely declined. They all eventually come around, as expected.

Also, Russian Aspid fucking rules!

 

[CiG]

The Black Metal paradox is much more understandable, it's Death Metal that is most confusing to me. Black Metal for better or worse was always about some sort of atmosphere, so Thrash Metal doesn't always need to be involved. (Though for me it pretty much always does.)

 

[no country for old wainds]

i don't necessarily think it's weird for DM/BM-heads not to like quite a few strains of thrash if they're largely into '90s stuff rather than '80s. the appeal of a lot of thrash (NOT all) to me is like the appeal of b-movies or comic books; knowingly, gleefully irreverent, spontaneous, exhilarating. '90s DM and especially BM tends to be more considered, subtle, mystical, serious. there's a shitload of overlap, exceptions etc, just talking about general trends. i love both, myself, but i do think they often scratch different itches, both of equal importance to me personally. on the flipside, i don't think it's possible to love one metal sub-genre and outright dislike another, there's just too much overlap even in cases where it isn't immediately apparent and i suspect anyone who dismisses a whole genre just hasn't made a legitimate attempt to get into it. i've been guilty of this at various times in my life but i've come to realise there's something in most genres for everybody, even non-metal genres, you've just gotta acclimatise and dig deep enough.

weird thing about me is that my absolute favourite metal albums of all time are probably death metal albums, but for a few years now i've been less excited about DM than i am about BM, thrash or the various trad sub-genres. it's possible i've just heard too many homogenous murky incantation rip offs and immolation wannabes with extra dissonance etc in recent times, idk.