Controversial opinions on metal

[HamburgerBoy]

Your post above only really proved my point btw. Black metal is already heavily conscious of aesthetic, so even for bands that have a kind of sound you don't like, it can be acknowledged as a conscious artistic choice. Thrash and death metal bands get shit on for not spending more time on selecting recording equipment and distortion pedals rather than writing decent riffs.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The Chasm and Ares Kingdom are two of my favorites, I'd be laughed out of the 'in crowd' of metal. What now?

The concept of in-crowd metal is literally something I discovered on this forum, and you are one of my model specimens. In-crowd metal people are allowed to enjoy non-metal or certain non-in-crowd metal bands (Pain of Salvation doesn't disqualify you; a lot of arg-metal would, however).

 

[Mort Divine]

also who the hell are you to talk about in crowd bullshit with your worship of stuff like Slauter Xstroyes and Adramelch

 

[CiG]

I don't know exactly what you love. Do you consider The Chasm to be an all-time favorite band? Or Ares Kingdom? Or Stargazer? If so you're probably still an in-crowd metal fan, which is just a special kind of hipster.

EDIT: That was irt Cassette.

I don't own albums by any of those bands yet.

i'm personally more likely to criticise death or thrash for glossy production values than BM, and i think i'm probably in the majority on this board. i actually think production may be less of a factor in BM than pretty much any other sub-genre i can think of, to me anyway. there are definitely more tr00bie cunts in BM than any other genre across the internet but i don't see those people here and idk why you choose this board to constantly complain about it

Would you say that's because death metal and thrash metal as genres attract people with more varied goals production-wise compared with black metal, which you can always just assume with have a much more raw production?

I could agree with that, if so.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I love plenty of in-crowd metal, it's not necessarily a bad thing, it's more about how it's suspect that these taste-defining pioneers happen to adore all the same bands from all kinds of styles with almost no exceptions allowed. A person can love both Sabbats, Master's Hammer, Arch-era Fates Warning, and Varathron, but they're still fags if they hate Cirith Ungol. That's how it works.

I don't agree that Slauter Xstroyes exactly counts though. They aren't as A E S T H E T I C and are more cult favorites in USPM and prog metal circles, not broad in-crowd metal circles that sample all genres. Off the top of my head I don't know anyone here other than myself that would consider either album an all-time favorite, except maybe old wainds (and I'm guessing there).

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Would you say that's because death metal and thrash metal as genres attract people with more varied goals production-wise compared with black metal, which you can always just assume with have a much more raw production?

I could agree with that, if so.

How could you agree with that? You're arguing that black metal has less varied production than thrash?

 

[CiG]

How could you agree with that? You're arguing that black metal has less varied production than thrash?

I'd say the vast majority of black metal musicians have a similar goal with production. Raw, old school, dirty, demo-quality, harsh etc.

Thrash metal musicians can't really be generalised in the same way, even if production is less important to those within the genre as a whole.

 

[no country for old wainds]

idk i think there are a lot of strains of BM that try to be more beautiful, dreamy, earthy etc. there are plenty of full-bodied, maybe even warm BM productions that get some love around here.

re: mort, it only applies in cases where he doesn't agree obviously, because he has some objective sense of which music has legitimate appeal and which doesn't. basically it's just "you don't share my opinion so you have ulterior motives for said opinion" but taken to some whole new insane autistic level.

i'd like to see your explanations for my love of dark moor/fairyland? or LOAD? or some opeth? or harvey milk (who i like more than black sabbath)? etc. all of these are outright rejected by most old schoolers in my experience. i'm also not at all into two of the bands you just mentioned as being in-crowdy, and i've got plenty of shit in the past for not buying into canonised stuff. but i guess none of this matters because i like the chasm (who were, by the way, insanely fucking creative and imaginative in their middle period) so obviously i'm one of *them*!

btw if i tried to read HAMLET in fluorescent epileptic comic sans i'd probably hate reading that too. maybe that's a dubious analogy, but music sounding good is about more than just creativity/riffs.

(and yea if you hate cirith ungol you are probably a fag)

 

[CiG]

There are probably more strains of thrash metal that want to sound clean, clinical and high-budget though. Comes with the territory because thrash metal has always had a greater chance at financial success and mainstream success compared with death metal and black metal.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So Nokturnal Mortum, Weakling, Drudkh, Inquisition, The Ruins of Beverast, and Alcest all have a similar goal with production?

Does thrash production even have a goal outside of certain cliches like scooped guitars, buried bass, high snare and kick drum, etc?

 

[CiG]

You're playing a game now. I can equally choose 6 thrash metal bands that are all very different to prove my own point, but I'm talking generally.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Name them, I listen to a lot of thrash, but without going to extremely obscure and/or borderline cases I'm pretty sure you couldn't pick six thrash bands in the genre's entire history as aesthetically diverse as those six black metal bands.

 

[CiG]

I'm not interested in playing that game, that's the point of my last comment.
If you take 6 iconic black metal bands from the old days you're likely to find much more similarity in production than you are if you take 6 iconic thrash metal bands from the old days and compare them.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Duh, old-school black metal was usually trad, speed, or thrash metal with a unified aesthetic. A number of contemporary black metal bands still use the old-school raw first-wave sound, but most of branched out basically as a result of Norway opening the gates to virtually anything.

 

[CiG]

No need to take it back to the 1980's, leave it in the early 1990's and I believe my point still stands.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Early 90s because most bands were still only just starting to move away from a first-wave sound. There were probably more than 1000 thrash bands from 83-92, and less than 50 black metal bands from that same time period, and a majority of those were literally some kind of extreme thrash metal just with very poor production and Satanic themes.

 

[CiG]

For example.

 

[Mort Divine]

god that marduk album is so good

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Not sure what that song is supposed to prove, although I have to admit I'm liking it. I've heard their first album but not that one, I'll have to check it out.

 

[suckerleaf]

For the record I don't even know what the fuck In Crowd Metal is. I think I might have used to know.