Controversial opinions on metal

I never thought he looked that smug, although he actually is a fairly smug character in the games. I'll compromise and pick an avatar that takes both after a fat smug fuck and vintage metal cover art.
 
If you can afford to have internet in your dwelling, you can afford to have internet access on your phone unless you have shitty finances or your job doesn't pay you tbh. Blame Canada. I probably drink more than The Butt and I can afford both. That isn't a legitimate excuse (and it was probably because you were drunk that you said it).

Also, the discussion about who is Omni wouldn't exist without this thread. You're welcome.

I would also like empirical evidence that only 61% of Americans have a smartphone or whatever.
 
Elric of Melniboné said:
I'm going to do the thing that you guys suggested. Tell me what you would like me to have written down in my photos, and I'll even throw in having this site open on a computer in my photos.

It seems like good fun and then you all can move on from this fixation.
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Have yourself with Pornhub in the background of your computer with some Czech porn playing with a sign saying 'Aug was here'
 
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CASSETTEISGOD said:
It's not a matter of quality. Example: it's the 80's and downloading is as common as it is today, if everybody downloaded Slowly We Rot we would likely not see Cause Of Death follow, or we would see it follow with a different, smaller label with a smaller studio budget, regardless of quality.
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That is one huge hypothetical, and based on a false premise. If downloading was as common as it was today, not everyone would download SWR. I still dont see how a band who ended up being so influential would have been so bogged down by the downloading that their sophomore album never would have existed. Comparing the boom days of metal to the somewhat oversaturated and stagnant industry of today, and making inferences about the influence of downloading is a little unfair I think. So many other factors would be at play in this scenario that I cant see downloading as the prime mover.

As for tape trading, I dont think you are realizing that this WAS the downloading era of the 80s. The "Home taping is killing music" slogan of the 80s was a response to the same type of market stressors that you are mentioning, albeit downloading an album is easier than receiving one from someone else. Nevertheless, the music scene was inherently more socially based without the influence of the internet, so the analogy is more similar than you are giving credit towards.

CASSETTEISGOD said:
I actually don't care so much about the legality of it, I care about the ethics. It feels wrong.
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At this point I think I will take the same route as Baroque and agree to disagree then. I prefer to think that the band would rather me hear their release than to avoid it if I cannot otherwise obtain a hard copy in an era where this music is unavailable. You view it as an implied breach of morality because the hard copies of music should match the distribution of it. I have made my arguments; any more would just be repetition in a desire to somehow convince you of my viewpoint.
 
Happy to concede on the last part as a simple difference of ethics.

First point is merely basic economics so I'm not sure how I can make the point any clearer for you. Labels give out money for studio time as an investment, if they don't even make back that budget money through album sales, not only are they likely not going to contract that band for another release, they might even have to close down the label.

The underground has always kept itself alive through small labels that hope to simply break even while they help bands get their music out there.

Exclusive downloaders need people that spend money on albums for their practice to continue.
 
Serjeant Grumbles said:
Saying "I don't own it so I won't take it" makes no sense in such a scenario. No one has any claim of ownership to discarded items; there's an overwhelming consensus that you relinquish such claims when you throw it away in the first place. The scenario he laid out leaves virtually no possibility that the TV was simply misplaced. It would make about as much sense to say you wouldn't forage wild mushrooms from the forest because you don't own them.

You did not argue that taking discarded items was not analogous to downloading OOP albums, even though you could have gone that route. Since you did not, I'm focusing on the fact that you are willing to let a perfectly good TV go to waste, and you consider that a claim of moral high ground. If you already have two TV's, just donate the new one instead of letting it sit in a ditch.
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You seem to be having trouble understanding basic logic.

I am literally treating the discarded TV like an OOP album that I could download but choose not to as I have repeatedly stated, since that is what he was using it to represent in his analogy. It makes perfect sense to say I don't want an album and won't download it.

In the analogy:

TV in a ditch = OOP album that won't be reissued

Taking the TV from the ditch = Dowloading the album

My existing TVs = Music I already own

I personally think the analogy is shitty. You seem to just not understand how analogies work. If the TV is a valid representation for an out of print piece of music that I could download as you seem to believe, treating it like an out of print piece of music makes perfect sense.

In the real world where a discarded item is not the same as someone's intellectual property like it supposedly is in a bad analogy, I would probably call up someone I know so they could come get it for their house. In bad analogy world, I have to treat it like the analogous object even though it's a bad analogy that I think is invalid.

Again, logic. Use it.

The Ozzman said:
Have yourself with Pornhub in the background of your computer with some Czech porn playing with a sign saying 'Aug was here'
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That would just demonstrate that I'm @rimlord and I don't have any desire to be him.
 
EspaDa said:
That Internally Deformed guy is really bizarre, he reminds me of CIG when he joined this forum as he's eternally online and posts so fucking much.
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CIG is my gun toting, Trump supporting, record purchasing australian alter ego. There's nothing more fun than having insult heavy ten page arguments with myself and inflicting them on this forum.

But yeah, I have way too much free time at the moment, it isn't healthy.
 
Baroque said:
Go back and re read my point, I was clearly talking about PCs since I mentioned hard drives and modems. You're the one that brought up your cell phone's lack of data which you assumed was the norm. To which I loled and proved you wrong that you're actually in the minority.
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Your point, to break it down, was that there isn't a difference betweem streaming repeatedly, and downloading then listening repeatedly. Which, DUE to cell phones and mobile data being a thing, was incorrect and I explained why.
 
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