Controversial opinions on metal

[MrTagoMago]

Hmm...I always got the feeling it was the other way around for some reason. Many share the opinion that it was the grind albums that put them on the map. I've always doubted that though, seeing as how they made some of the best death metal of their time.

They're more associated with grindcore but it's common for folks to prefer there pure death metal stuff.

 

[ProphetofHatred]

I thought Napalm death was liked for being a mixture of death metal and grindcore?

 

[MrTagoMago]

Here's some beautiful music everyone can get into!

 

[EternalMetal]

I don't see how anyone can listen to South of heaven and not be annoyed at the laughable vocals and pitiful attempt to create a brooding atmosphere. It also comes off as if they are trying to hold back on that album which adds to the awkwardness of it.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel. I never understood the praise this album gets, its always come across as extremely mediocre to me.

@ Internally Deformed - The assumption that if you cant appreciate South of Heaven you are an illusioned try hard who only listens to inferior demos for their perceived rarity (this is basically the poser argument), is just fucking stupid. Ive grown up listening to this album since before I ever dabbled in rare metal, and I never really see what my friends saw in it. I was all about Reign in Blood back then, though I have since grown more fond of Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits. There is nothing wrong with having differing taste in metal.

There is no way I can get behind Napalm Death's DM material being better than their grindcore. And I fucking love Utilitarian. It's just that I have to go with the first 3 hands down. And yea, that's how ive always seen them too ProphetofHatred. They are a great bridge band for death metalheads to get more into grindcore.

 

[MrTagoMago]

I thought Napalm death was liked for being a mixture of death metal and grindcore?

They are deathgrind. Pure grindcore isn't even metal.

 

[Internally Deformed]

@ Internally Deformed - The assumption that if you cant appreciate South of Heaven you are an illusioned try hard who only listens to inferior demos for their perceived rarity (this is basically the poser argument), is just fucking stupid. Ive grown up listening to this album since before I ever dabbled in rare metal, and I never really see what my friends saw in it. I was all about Reign in Blood back then, though I have since grown more fond of Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits. There is nothing wrong with having differing taste in metal.

Chill out, my point was more about MrTago's description of Slayer as mediocre than about that particular album; that just happened to be the one we ended up discussing.

It does seem strange to me that someone could dislike Slayer while liking scores of bands that emulate Slayer and probably would never have existed without them, but I get that taste is subjective and whatnot.

 

[Internally Deformed]

They are deathgrind. Pure grindcore isn't even metal.

Scum is pure grind surely?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Napalm Death's deathrock demo(s?) sound pretty neat.

 

[Phylactery]

Here's some beautiful music everyone can get into!

I listened to this because I love the word "bourgeois". It was physically painful to listen to on headphones!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Are you a commie?

 

[MrTagoMago]

Scum is pure grind surely?

Id say no its standard deathgrind.

Chill out, my point was more about MrTago's description of Slayer as mediocre than about that particular album; that just happened to be the one we ended up discussing.

It does seem strange to me that someone could dislike Slayer while liking scores of bands that emulate Slayer and probably would never have existed without them, but I get that taste is subjective and whatnot.

You seem to overstate how much thrash and death metal I actually listen to.

I listened to this because I love the word "bourgeois". It was physically painful to listen to on headphones!

2 br00tal 4 u.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Are you a commie?

LOL

 

[Talos of Atmora]

As for Slayer, I really like Show No Mercy, Hell Awaits, and Reign in Blood but the material after that doesn't really have a lasting effect on me.

 

[Internally Deformed]

You seem to overstate how much thrash and death metal I actually listen to

Well I know you listen to at least 20 dm bands and 20 thrash bands, which literally constitutes scores.

 

[EternalMetal]

It does seem strange to me that someone could dislike Slayer while liking scores of bands that emulate Slayer and probably would never have existed without them, but I get that taste is subjective and whatnot.

I like tons of doom metal bands better than Black Sabbath, so the concept doesnt seem strange at all. Im not surprised that he found the mediocre South of Heaven to be mediocre (even if this opinion is slightly controversial here). Id say more, but it would probably come out like this:

I dislike this idea that just because a band is a pioneer that automatically means they are good or one of the best. A lot of people think that the best bands and albums in metal have to be these renowned classics and that more obscure and lesser known stuff just can't be as good which to me that mentality goes against what metal was all about. I enjoy digging through obscure stuff and discovering hidden gems I can enjoy as much as the classics or often I prefer the hidden gems over the classics.

 

[ProphetofHatred]

How the fuck can someone not like south of heaven? I get it's not their best album but still.

 

[Internally Deformed]

I agree that it isn't necessarily true that the band responsible for creating a style or a genre is better than anyone else at it (Hellhammer for instance). It just so happens, in my experience at least, that they usually are. It isn't a coincidence for me that most of the best thrash albums were written within the first few years of thrash's existence, and likewise for death metal, despite the fact that there are probably far more bands now playing in either of those genres than at the time of their inception.

 

[MrTagoMago]

How the fuck can someone not like south of heaven? I get it's not their best album but still.

I already had this conversation.

 

[ProphetofHatred]

I agree that it isn't necessarily true that the band responsible for creating a style or a genre is better than anyone else at it (Hellhammer for instance). It just so happens, in my experience at least, that they usually are. It isn't a coincidence for me that most of the best thrash albums were written within the first few years of thrash's existence, and likewise for death metal, despite the fact that there are probably far more bands now playing in either of those genres than at the time of their inception.

Immolations close to a world below would like to have a word with you.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

@ProphetofHatred Speaking of bands who annoy the shit out of me, Rings of Saturn is one of them. Actually, a lot of deathcore annoys the crap out of me.