Controversial opinions on metal

A few of metal's strengths are its diversity of riffs, its bombast, and its fantastical themes. Those are things you won't find to the same extent in most other genres of music, with obviously some exceptions (mostly prog and hard rock of the 70s). Stuff like Godflesh, mid-90s Century Media goth metal, etc appeal to metal fans because many metal fans are retards that won't pick up anything off of the shelf if it isn't the metal shelf. They have to be spoonfed things to try them, but craft a narrative about how playing non-metal band X's riffs with more distortion and the occasional chug, and they wolf that shit right down. Godflesh isn't even that bad or anything, Streetcleaner is decent, but man it's laughable when metalheads go "Wait, you listed a lot of industrial but you didn't even mention Godflesh or Ministry, LITERALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT INDUSTRIAL METAL BANDS, I mean really, I can't even". And I don't even like much industrial; Foetus is awesome because there are strong Alice Cooper vaudeville vibes there, and I really like some of Controlled Bleeding's non-industrial quasi-ambient/quasi-choral weird stuff, but the genre doesn't really appeal to me. Metal people regardless need to start trying the bands that influenced their pet favorite alternative metal bands.



Godflesh is probably a bit more original than Trivium, although their riffs are still poorer.

I agree with a lot of what you said but i dont see the issue with Godflesh giving a metal spin on the Swans formula. Swans is better but i like having more of that kinda thing. Also Streetcleaner though not as good imo isnt as repetitive as Cop. Obviously industrial is better than industrial metal. Still just because its considered metal doesnt mean it has to focus on riffs and Godflesh focuses much more on creating a heavy and opressive atmosphere.
 
Cop is my least favorite of the first four tbh, although I still like it. Holy Money is my favorite, probably their most diverse without deviating from their core sound as would happen on Children of God. I don't hate Godflesh, I just lol when people pretend they're more tr00 than Trivium or whatever other out-crowd band, when half of their sound is blatantly not remotely related to metal. And by trying to fit metal riffs into that formula, they dilute the positive qualities of both genres.
 
I can't pick a particular time period to be superior over others because a lot of the bands that I like are very out of place for when their albums were released.

Cirith Ungol, for example, began releasing albums in the 1980s, but their music doesn't really sound like your usual 1980s metal because the band was around for so long before they released their first album and many of their songs are from the 1970s.
 
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I can't pick a particular time period to be superior over others because a lot of the bands that I like are very out of place for when their albums were released.

Cirith Ungol, for example, began releasing albums in the 1980s, but their music doesn't really sound like your usual 1980s metal because the band was around for so long before they released their first album and many of their songs are from the 1970s.

I never realized they were that old but that makes perfect sense. I've always thought they had a more 70s heavy metal sound.