Controversial opinions on metal

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Controversial opinion: Heavy metal sounds like shit coming out of conventional speakers, unless they have good tweeters and an equalizer is employed to cut the mids.

Who the fuck cuts the mids on metal? Too much guitar for you? Don't be a pussy.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Probably not so controversial but:
everytime i read about Cobalt it's just someone heaping praise. Am I the only one bored as shit listening to them? It's the same chord slides and cliche flourish on top of every riff, songs and albums are way too long for their own good, and then when they start doing clean chord progression shit to top it all off they get even more boring somehow. I really don't know what people think is so great about them. They would probably be decent if the guitarist jerkd off the Jerry Cantrell a little bit less, scrapped the emo clean parts, and wrote albums half as long, but i don't if even that would save the predictability of a lot the riffs for me.

Who knows, maybe I am the only one. After all I'm in the minority of people who didn't find the newest Bolzer boring so the same shit could be tossed right back at me.

Someone posted a Cobalt song in one of the non-metal song rating games, and your opinion on the band pretty much is my opinion at least on the one song I heard. They've been falling out with the in-crowd in general it seems.

 

[dwellerINTHEdark]

Eater of Birds owns your souls.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Cobalt looked like some serious hipster bullshit when I looked them up on Metal Archives. It was confirmed when I listened to some of their stuff just now.

 

[Mort Divine]

Eater of Birds has some excellent riff work, but I never cared much for anything else Cobalt did.

 

[dwellerINTHEdark]

I probably like War Metal second best. Then Gin. Then the new one, which is still damn good. Eater of Birds has some of my favorite percussion in metal.

 

[Yerfdaug]

Cobalt looked like some serious hipster bullshit when I looked them up on Metal Archives. It was confirmed when I listened to some of their stuff just now.

Looking hipster doesnt even matter. If Nattens Madrigal or Beyond the Wanderin Moon were written by pencil jean dudes with undercuts and blondie shirts I'd still rock that shite at 11. I think generally 'hipster' looking people tend (in metal at least) to, unfortunately, make lackluster and hipsterishly pretentious music. And i don't give a fuck how people dress so long as they make good music, but for what it is generally "hipsterish" black metal, for example, is for the most part pretty terrible and flat out boring. And cobalt are actually at least somewhat original if in that club, which is saying something. Ofc, who fucking really knows what 'hipster' means and is in any case, because it tends to be a label thrown around with some degree of ambiguity, including myself for sure

 

[Phylactery]

Eater of Birds has some of my favorite percussion in metal.

Sacramentum's Far Away from the Sun probably has my favourite drumming in metal. It does have a lot of blasting but there's plenty of variation in it. I also find myself remembering a lot of the drum patterns more than with most other albums and it manages to add a driving, violent force to the album without sacrificing its melancholic atmosphere.

Regarding The Chasm - there aren't many death metal bands that have 7 worthwhile full length albums. At their peak, Deathcult..., Procession... and parts of Conjuration... they're almost untouchable for me. I find them to be far more melodically interesting than most DM bands and a lot of their songs are emotionally charged. They're definitely amongst the most accomplished songwriters in metal.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Looking hipster doesnt even matter. If Nattens Madrigal or Beyond the Wanderin Moon were written by pencil jean dudes with undercuts and blondie shirts I'd still rock that shite at 11. I think generally 'hipster' looking people tend (in metal at least) to, unfortunately, make lackluster and hipsterishly pretentious music. And i don't give a fuck how people dress so long as they make good music, but for what it is generally "hipsterish" black metal, for example, is for the most part pretty terrible and flat out boring. And cobalt are actually at least somewhat original if in that club, which is saying something. Ofc, who fucking really knows what 'hipster' means and is in any case, because it tends to be a label thrown around with some degree of ambiguity, including myself for sure

I'm not talking about the appearance of band members. I'm talking about the album covers, album and song titles, lyrics and the descriptions of their music in reviews on the website. Don't jump to conclusions.

As I stated earlier, listenining to some of their music confirmed it for me.

 

[Yerfdaug]

Hah yeah no worries, wasnt so much commenting on your post, just quoted it because it sort of took me into discussing some other shite.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I thought of a good controversial opinion.

People who hate on Manowar and praise Jag Panzer's early music are posers. Jag Panzer has all of the musical traits that people who think Manowar is gay complain about and the influence of Manowar on their music is obvious.

The Tyrant demos from before Manowar released Battle Hymns in 1982 sound much less like Manowar than anything Jag Panzer made from 1983 onwards. Even Harry Conklin's singing is much less similar to Eric Adams on those recordings.

 

[Baroque]

I thought of a good controversial opinion.

People who hate on Manowar and praise Jag Panzer's early music are posers. Jag Panzer has all of the musical traits that people who think Manowar is gay complain about and the influence of Manowar on their music is obvious.

The Tyrant demos from before Manowar released Battle Hymns in 1982 sound much less like Manowar than anything Jag Panzer made from 1983 onwards. Even Harry Conklin's singing is much less similar to Eric Adams on those recordings.

Thane to the Throne is the Jag Panzer that I like. not their early material. It plays more like a prog concept album than power metal.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I thought of a good controversial opinion.

People who hate on Manowar and praise Jag Panzer's early music are posers. Jag Panzer has all of the musical traits that people who think Manowar is gay complain about and the influence of Manowar on their music is obvious.

The Tyrant demos from before Manowar released Battle Hymns in 1982 sound much less like Manowar than anything Jag Panzer made from 1983 onwards. Even Harry Conklin's singing is much less similar to Eric Adams on those recordings.

What specific songs on Ample Destruction do you think sound like Battle Hymns (or Into Glory Ride I suppose)? Aside from both being early trad metal I don't hear much in common between the two.

 

[EspaDa]

Cobalt is great you faggots.

Eater of Birds > Gin > Slow Forever > War Metal

Also, who chose a Cobalt song for non metal mixtape? what song was it?

 

[Serjeant Grumbles]

It wasn't Cobalt that appeared on the mixtape; it was the side project Man's Gin.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

What specific songs on Ample Destruction do you think sound like Battle Hymns (or Into Glory Ride I suppose)? Aside from both being early trad metal I don't hear much in common between the two.

It's not as much that they sound exactly like Manowar as it is that they are definitely influenced by them and have all of the elements that people say make Manowar gay. I especially don't get how Eric Adams sounds super gay by some people's standards but Harry Conklin can get a free pass even though he is so similar and clearly influenced by Adams.

They also have a whole bunch of catchy songs on Tyrants and Ample Destruction that are lyrically similar to the heavily derided Manowar anthems.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

He sounds more like Bruce Dickinson than Eric Adams.

You're still going to have to give specific examples.

 

[J.]

Im gay for early manowar. Loincloth and all.

Sounds like i need jag panzer in my life

 

[Vilden]

You sure do!

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

You're still going to have to give specific examples.

I don't have to do anything in regards to posting here.

"Harder Than Steel" and "Cardiac Arrest" are really good examples of Jag Panzer songs that have a lot of similarity to early Manowar anthems. There are quite a few more. Iron Maiden doesn't make songs like those.

Jag Panzer also attempted to personify alter egos for themselves like Manowar did, which they referenced in songs on Tyrants and Ample Destruction. There are obvious similarities between both bands.

Im gay for early manowar. Loincloth and all.

Sounds like i need jag panzer in my life

Yes, you do.