Controversial opinions on metal

[Elric of Melniboné]

You are projecting again. I explained what I perceive as the musical traits that people who hate Manowar take issue with and how Jag Panzer is similar to them in an abundantly clear fashion.

Hhhmm. Let me think, 'Cold As A Blade' is just like a Conan type of thing. I enjoyed what other bands, HAMMERFALL and MANOWAR have done to the Conan concept and bringing that age of when the sword was all powerful into view and basically that song is just talking about somebody that has a thirst for the blade and doesn't really know what wielding the blade is all about and he thinks that the blade has the power but actually it's not the blade that has the power it's the hand behind it and by the end of the song he comes to realize it's not about how sharp, heavy or how powerful the blade is but it's about the mindset of the man and the hand that wields it. I thought that came out to be pretty cool and it was also in the Iron Shadows type of vein earlier on in our past and I thought that would be a great tie in with the AMPLE DESTRUCTION days and what's happening now.

This is an excerpt from an interview from when they released Mechanized Warfare where he explains what the songs mean to him since he is the one who writes the lyrics. He names Manowar as an inspiration and says that this song is a tie-in to the Ample Destruction days thematically.

Please tell me again that Harry Conklin isn't influenced by Manowar.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No you didn't explain that, you backtracked and said you were talking about singing styles and clothing. Try again.

That excerpt is good, except that it clearly refers to their newer stuff which is slower, more explicitly "epic", and easier to justify as Manowar influenced.



That song sounds like Manowar. Ample Destruction does not.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Actually, the quote is about where he derives lyrical inspiration and not what the music sounds like. It's highly unlikely that he wasn't aware of Manowar in the 1980s.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Keep dodging.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Keep inventing things to argue about.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

People who hate on Manowar and praise Jag Panzer's early music are posers. Jag Panzer has all of the musical traits that people who think Manowar is gay complain about and the influence of Manowar on their music is obvious.

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[Elric of Melniboné]

Not at all incompatible with my later statements, friend. I said ages ago that we would continue to disagree on this and you got even more aggressive the less interested I became in continuing the discussion.

You project a lot during arguments and it's boring to have to defend myself from opinions that you invent on your own.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You made a claim, I disagreed with several specific examples explaining why, and you just dodged and switched.

I didn't invent shit:

People who hate on Manowar and praise Jag Panzer's early music are posers. Jag Panzer has all of the musical traits that people who think Manowar is gay complain about and the influence of Manowar on their music is obvious.

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[Elric of Melniboné]

Once again, I'm not sure why you think that I changed what I was saying. You seem to be really confused and misinterpreting plain English to have some deeper meaning. It happens a lot, like when I repeatedly linked a copy of a legal text proving that downloading copyrighted materials is illegal in Canada and you kept telling me that it didn't say that in the text.

I'm comfortable with my opinion, especially knowing that it obviously upsets you.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'll narrow it down further for you

Jag Panzer has all of the musical traits that people who think Manowar is gay complain about

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I stand by that opinion for reasons thoroughly explained by me and thoroughly ignored (or, more likely, not understood) by you.

There's no need for further discussion on the matter.

 

[Serjeant Grumbles]

People only call Manowar gay because they have band photos oiled up in tights, hairy chests sparkling under the stage lights, and have "Man" in their name.

All those things are rather homoerotic, just like 80's action films. It doesn't necessarily make the band members gay, nor does it make you gay for listening to it. It's just insecure people who feel the need to deny the homoerotic elements of Manowar in order to justify liking the band.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i wish omni and rain man would just get a room already.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

"Get a thread, you two!"

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Giant's Lore is really underrated.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

"Giant's Lore" seems to have a weird reference to an old baseball team in it, since it refers to the Leland hills. There used to be a team called the Leland Giants.

 

[Phylactery]

Giant's Lore is really underrated.

I don't think you can call anything from Awaken the Guardian underrated on this forum.

This thread has slowed down a lot since MrTagoMago left. I wonder why he stopped posting.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

The reason why I said it was is due to seeing a lot of people saying that Giant's Lore doesn't live up to the rest of the album. Personally, I think it's one of the best songs on the album so it's a rather bewildering statement to me.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I don't think you can call anything from Awaken the Guardian underrated on this forum.

This thread has slowed down a lot since MrTagoMago left. I wonder why he stopped posting.

He ran out of "controversial" opinions.

 

[EchoForever]

He ran out of "controversial" opinions.

"yeah sorry guys but coil and can is way fucking better than slayer, look at my massive ego"