Controversial opinions on metal

[HamburgerBoy]

Still better and more riffs than Aeturnus.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

From Those I'd say Necromantia and Nocternity are the top tier. The other bands, I see a lot of hype but they dont deliver hard enough for me.

On first listen, I found Onyx by Nocternity to be pretty pedestrian. I'll give it a second listen later in the week.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

This is an excerpt from a MA review of Sunbather that essentially sums up why I don't like it.

"Right from the off, the listener is treated to major-scale post-rock strumming which is joined shortly after by blast beats, all of which are played at a high tempo and at a VERY loud volume. The vocals then come in, being a sort of screech buried behind the wall of noise that is the instruments. This continues for about 5 minutes, and then it all goes quiet for about 30 seconds whilst an acoustic guitar line is played. The band then comes crashing back into the music, playing at a much slower tempo than before, and continuing this way right till the end of the track."

What a terribly vague and poorly articulated critique. Tons of black metal bands have long songs with only two or three passages. Burzum made its fucking legacy doing that. That, in fact, is one of the reasons that black metal and post rock are so compatible: both genres contain compositional templates that rely on the rely on repetition and/or gradual development.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

coming to the conclusion that Graveland is "overrated" after listening to songs "from I think Memory and Destiny to Spears of Heaven" in the span of an hour (what, like 4 songs?) is like listening to only Darkthrone's blackcrust era and judging the band solely on those specific albums. it's borderline retarded.

Not really, considering that those records cover 50% of their entire career and are loaded with filler, as stated. That means that half their career is littered with take it or leave it material. Makes them over rated if u ask me.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i have trouble believing you listened to half of graveland's discography in an hour. do we need to have a discussion about how time works?

also, do you think slayer and metallica are overrated? just checking if you're consistent with this weird logic

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

the logic isn't weird at all. i listened to songs i was familiar with, but hadn't heard in a long time. these songs were scattered throughout the albums I mentioned. The albums I mentioned make up 50% of the band's career and are replete with filler. As stated by others, the band's early 90's material is easily the best output they ever had, but makes up less than half of their career. Everyone always gushes over Graveland (not "early Graveland") but from what I just articulated, it's clear they're over rated.

Slayer is over rated and so is Metallica although each has some amazing songs and albums for sure. Why did you ask about those two bands, dude?

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

And before you ask a band that isn't over rated would have to be a band that has every album, or the vast majority of their albums, stellar and elite, such as Nokturnal Mortum, Sulphur Aeon, Nevermore, Bloodbath, Enslaved etc.

 

[Phylactery]

Because over 50% of their material is terrible. So if you're calling Graveland overrated for that reason, it makes sense for Metallica and Slayer too.

What a terribly vague and poorly articulated critique. Tons of black metal bands have long songs with only two or three passages. Burzum made its fucking legacy doing that. That, in fact, is one of the reasons that black metal and post rock are so compatible: both genres contain compositional templates that rely on the rely on repetition and/or gradual development.

Yeah that was a pretty vague critique. There's plenty out there that details exactly why Deafheaven is the nadir of black metal (if you can even call it that). In my view, it's crap because it takes the most generic tremolo melodies imaginable, pastes blast beats over them and inserts random acoustic noodling in between. Just like most other "post-black metal". It's also disjointed and has incredibly grating vocals. Burzum certainly didn't write songs like this.

The fact that HamburgerBoy jumps to their defence (despite him probably not even liking them) shows just how terrible they actually are. He likes to latch on to these maligned bands and spout shit about how "at least they have more riffs than *insert good band*".

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

poor Hamburger Boy. Always getting picked on. Hamburger Boy can you please put a long time mystery of mine to rest and tell me the origins of your user name?

 

[Slayed Necros]

Speaking of Graveland, were any of you queers aware of this?

 

[no country for old wainds]

And before you ask a band that isn't over rated would have to be a band that has every album, or the vast majority of their albums, stellar and elite, such as Nokturnal Mortum, Sulphur Aeon, Nevermore, Bloodbath, Enslaved etc.

so you are consistent with this weird ass definition of overrated. that's fine then.

 

[no country for old wainds]

Speaking of Graveland, were any of you queers aware of this?

i was but i haven't listened to it. good?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Yeah that was a pretty vague critique. There's plenty out there that details exactly why Deafheaven is the nadir of black metal (if you can even call it that). In my view, it's crap because it takes the most generic tremolo melodies imaginable, pastes blast beats over them and inserts random acoustic noodling in between. Just like most other "post-black metal". It's also disjointed and has incredibly grating vocals. Burzum certainly didn't write songs like this.

The fact that HamburgerBoy jumps to their defence (despite him probably not even liking them) shows just how terrible they actually are. He likes to latch on to these maligned bands and spout shit about how "at least they have more riffs than *insert good band*".

Give specific examples of how they're generic and other bands that were doing it first.

Sunbather is a pleasant album, I don't go out of my way to listen to it, but it sounds nice and the songwriting doesn't feel nearly as repetitious or simple as many acclaimed black metal albums.

poor Hamburger Boy. Always getting picked on. Hamburger Boy can you please put a long time mystery of mine to rest and tell me the origins of your user name?

 

[Slayed Necros]

i was but i haven't listened to it. good?

Some of the older songs sound pretty cool, the Thousand Swords tracks, not so good. Decent for re-recordings I guess.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

so you are consistent with this weird ass definition of overrated. that's fine then.

Thanks for your support.

 

[The Ozzman]

Vanilla Load amirite?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I wish my loads were vanilla-flavored.

 

[Serjeant Grumbles]

Eat a bunch of vanilla beans and you might make it happen.

 

[CiG]

The logic isn't weird at all. i listened to songs i was familiar with, but hadn't heard in a long time. these songs were scattered throughout the albums I mentioned. The albums I mentioned make up 50% of the band's career and are replete with filler. As stated by others, the band's early 90's material is easily the best output they ever had, but makes up less than half of their career. Everyone always gushes over Graveland (not "early Graveland") but from what I just articulated, it's clear they're over rated.

And you did this all in an hour? Woah what is your secret, I want what he's got, I'll have what she's having, I'll buy that for a dollar etc etc etc.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Doesn't Chrome let you listen to videos on YouTube at double speed? Maybe even 4x? Sounds legit to me.