Controversial opinions on metal

Listen to Nyktalgia if you like Burzum.

And unrelated but Wodensthrone too if you like the whole "folk black" thing.

Thanks. I'll add that to the list of roughly 400 albums I still need to check out. I like 99% of the black metal I've heard here so there's hope.

Do you need recs?

You can send them. I hardly ever visit my main page unless I get notifications. I do everything through the phone app.
 
Don't know how controversial this is, but Von is just awful and loses any charm it might have had after a single listen.
 
I'm too much of a faggot to log in to Last.fm right now, so here you go: Gorgoroth, Marduk, Judas Iscariot, Maniac Butcher, Carpathian Forest, Inquisition, Mayhem, Taake, Impiety (Singapore), Bestial Warlust, Bestial Holocaust, Deströyer 666, Drudkh, Abigor, Horna, Dark Funeral, Sacramentum, Toxic Holocaust, Graveland, Emperor, Dissection, Satanic Warmaster, Profanatica, Sargeist, Vulcano, Deathspell Omega, Windir, Hellhammer, Celtic Frost, Bathory, Venom, Darkthrone, Sabbat (Japan), Tormentor, Death SS, Sarcófago, Impaled Nazarene, Poison (Germany), Antestor, 1349, Beherit, Master's Hammer, Von, Watain, and Bulldozer for some introductory acts, and of course, keep pursuing the acts you already listed. If you want or need more, just hit me up.

Nice to see Horna and Sargeist there.
 
You cannot honest to God sit here and tell me with songs like After Forever, Lord of This World, and Into The Void that that album isn't at least half doom metal. Sabbath's first several records are foundational to doom metal, like it or not, from the arrangements, to Ozzy's vocal stylings, to Geezer's lyrics and Tony's chord progressions, that fucker is doom metal. It fits nigh if not every sonic criterion for it.

Maybe it is, but my point is that almost all doom metal bands are complete Black Sabbath rippoffs, they don't do anything innovative. There are a select few I like, but they get pretty boring.
 
I'm too much of a faggot to log in to Last.fm right now, so here you go: Gorgoroth, Marduk, Judas Iscariot, Maniac Butcher, Carpathian Forest, Inquisition, Mayhem, Taake, Impiety (Singapore), Bestial Warlust, Bestial Holocaust, Deströyer 666, Drudkh, Abigor, Horna, Dark Funeral, Sacramentum, Toxic Holocaust, Graveland, Emperor, Dissection, Satanic Warmaster, Profanatica, Sargeist, Vulcano, Deathspell Omega, Windir, Hellhammer, Celtic Frost, Bathory, Venom, Darkthrone, Sabbat (Japan), Tormentor, Death SS, Sarcófago, Impaled Nazarene, Poison (Germany), Antestor, 1349, Beherit, Master's Hammer, Von, Watain, and Bulldozer for some introductory acts, and of course, keep pursuing the acts you already listed. If you want or need more, just hit me up.

Oh I've heard a bunch of these, but I only listed stuff with over 200 plays. Most of the others are on my list to listen to..
 
Maybe it is, but my point is that almost all doom metal bands are complete Black Sabbath rippoffs, they don't do anything innovative. There are a select few I like, but they get pretty boring.

I don't disagree with that too much tbh. Until retro-thrash took over, at least, it was certainly the most self-conscious and backwards-looking metal sub-genre.
 
Second-tier bands are often labeled so due to their lack of innovation. Why shouldn't a genre be labeled accordingly?
 
Sure, obviously there are some, but doom metal has the fewest quality/original deep cuts that I'm aware of. When you do find a supposed forgotten doom metal gem, it's usually a glorified gothic rock or slowcore album anyways.

Keyword, "often". Savatage didn't exactly reinvent the wheel, but I don't think either of us would argue that it takes away from them being as legendary as they are.

Who does Savatage clone? They had a pretty distinctive sound.

black metal is probably the absolute worst sub genre for ripping off its forefathers, i'm surprised hbb isn't making this argument for me lol

Most black metal has too few riffs to even be accused of that. Like, nine out of ten times a given black metal album will have completely predictable riffs, but it won't make me think "Hey this sounds exactly like <band X>". Black metal is like an extremely pretentious self-absorbed version of the blues, doom metal is like djent.

Like, someone name three bands that are blatant ripoffs of DMDS-era Mayhem or Blaze-era Darkthrone, I'd love to hear them.