Controversial opinions on metal

[HamburgerBoy]

It's not really the production. The vocals are weak and pathetic, Lombardo isn't shit compared to Simon Phillips, the thrashy riffs don't come across as any more intense while the bluesy riffs sound disgusting with their tuning and guitar tone, and Downing is still the master of whammy-bar abuse. They point out one of their most obvious influences but then fail to show them respect or desire to surpass them. Easily as pathetic as any of Metallica's worst covers in the 90s, total embarrassment to the band. I'd rather listen to Scrum on repeat for an hour than that cover ever again. If you like it more than the original, you should kill yourself.

 

[Baroque]

Wow. There's nothing wrong with a band doing a cover song. It's a chance to pay tribute to their influences and share it with their fans. Everyone starts out playing cover songs to learn their instruments anyway.

 

[CiG]

Nobody said there was.

 

[Baroque]

Easily as pathetic as any of Metallica's worst covers in the 90s, total embarrassment to the band.

Somehow this gives me the impression that HBB isn't too keen on covers in general

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I mentioned Metallica's 90s covers because they're usually (and rightfully) regarded as shit.

But yeah, most covers by metal bands seem pointless at best.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Lombardo isn't shit compared to Simon Phillips

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

If you like it more than the original, you should kill yourself.

Says the guy who thought that traumatizing slayer song from their last album was good?

most covers by metal bands seem pointless at best.

Pretty much this.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

I made an account on this site to talk about and get recommendations about metal music, #disappointment

 

[no country for old wainds]

welcome to ultimate metal, i recommend you check out an evil shade of grey

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Lombardo knows like two drumming patterns and only compensates for it with massive, wanky fills (which often tend to resemble each other regardless). Slayer's a funny case for me in that while I often have faves because less liked or vice versa for albums or songs, they're a case where the most impressive instrumentation on first impressions because the least impressive on later (limiting things to 80s Araya of course). I mean, he's certainly not bad, but most of what makes the drums cool on the 86-90 albums is Rubin's production.

 

[The Ozzman]

Has TechBarb even heard Simon Phillips' drumming? Vinnie Colaiuta could run circles around Lombardo too in terms of drumming.

Seasons in the Abyss will always be my favorite Slayer record

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Has TechBarb even heard Simon Phillips' drumming?

No, i own the drumless version of Sin After Sin

edit: Hold on, im guessing you didn't even know he was the drummer on that album?

 

[The Ozzman]

No, i own the drumless version of Sin After Sin

edit: Hold on, im guessing you didn't even know he was the drummer on that album?

I knew that. That's the only metal album I know of that he's been on off hand.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I knew that.

 

[The Butt]

Keep this going. It pleases me.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Name one Lombardo-era Slayer song with drumming that's impressive/interesting for reasons other than 1) speed 2) long bombastic drum fills. I'm not saying he's remotely bad or doesn't fit the band, and there are certain aspects of his style that are distinctive to him, but the best moments of Sin After Sin blow him away.

 

[Sirjack]

depends what you're after...solid with tasty fills...no real speed or long fills



or solid, a bit more dramatic with tasty fills...and blast beat..and tasty fills
Alex Marquez with Malevolent Creation
etc etc

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

name one song? hey Buttface, what was the facepalm count at again?

One of the best metal drummers of all time >>>> simon phillips

drums from Reign in Blood > Sin After Sin

Can you find me a list of greatest drummers that has him ahead of Lombardo? Because i can find countless ones that he's not even mentioned it.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Piece By Piece isn't really convincing me. Even Araya changes the rhythm of his vocal patterns more than Lombardo does; through the various faster riffs he basically stays on a single thrash beat until the brief portion at 1:05 where he switches to the hi-hat briefly. For the second half they give him more room for fills and they aren't even particularly good ones in that song. I mean, solid, absolutely, but it's the briefness and structure of the song that keeps it engaging. Compared to basically anything with Hoglan, for example, there's no contest.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Simon Phillips isn't really a metal drummer so obviously he's not going to be on lists of greatest metal drummers. People that make those kinds of lists usually have shit taste regardless. I'm sure on those same lists you'll find Charlie Benante as well.