Controversial opinions on metal

H.P. Lovecraft said:
Because the music evolved. Priest, Maiden, and Motörhead among others all exerted their influences on the music, altering and evolving it beyond its initial state. They fused them, not all of them I might add, but not in the way Sabbath did. The nature of its riffs is certainly a part of it as well.
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So why is it that virtually no other metal bands involved in the evolution of metal tried taking after the jazz aspect until the early/mid-80s at the absolute earliest (and that's limited to basically just Megadeth and Watchtower)? I mean you could mention Simon Phillips but ultimately he was a session drummer and it wasn't his jazz chops that defined Priest. Even the occult thing was limited for Sabbath themselves, let alone bands like Priest and Motorhead with barely a trace of it.
 
H.P. Lovecraft said:
Not sure. Why did it take so long for stoner doom to come around despite being so prevalent in Sabbath's sound? Because that's simply when it happened, for better or worse.
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There are Sabbath-y rock bands from the 70s that would probably be called stoner doom had they existed 20 years later, or at least got very close. There's an obvious parentage from Sabbath to, say, post-Forest Cathedral. Same goes for early speed/thrash riffs in Sabbath, Queen, Priest, and others and the kinds of riffs that Metallica would soon make their staple.

But jazz never became a significant component of metal. There are some tech-metal bands that can throw in some fusion guitar or jazzy fills but then you may as well say that folk influences or ambiance or literally anything that some guy slapped together with metal riffs is a fundamental part of metal.
 
I wouldn't say that it's "so present". Certainly not by the time of Master of Reality and beyond, which was their first full-fledged metal album.
 
The chord progressions in Orchid sound much more classical to me, doesn't sound much like the above song other than both being based on the same very basic rhythm. If a brief acoustic classical doodle qualifies, then let's just call all of progressive rock metal.
 
Twilight of the Gods and Blood on Ice are superior to Hammerheart. I'm listening to "Man of Iron" right now. Such a beautiful song.
 
The rhythm isn't remotely jazz and being influenced by a guy that plays jazz doesn't mean you've added jazz elements to your sound though, so who cares?
 
H.P. Lovecraft said:
You even said it yourself that they share the same basic rhythm, but alright. Fair enough on the second part, but listening to some of his acoustic work, I find it difficult to believe he wasn't at least marginally influenced by Django.
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Django was the one who inspired him to continue playing after suffering a partial finger amputation. One would have to think that he at least influenced Tony to an extent. There more detectable jazz in Bill's drumming, though.
 
Probably controversial here.

Quicksand Dream's latest album, Beheading Tyrants is AWFUL.

I've tried to listen to it three times now and every single time I've turned it off before it finished. It lacks everything I loved about Aelin. Kinda hurts me that I don't like it tbh. Massive disappointment.
 
Iron Wizard said:
Twilight of the Gods and Blood on Ice are superior to Hammerheart. I'm listening to "Man of Iron" right now. Such a beautiful song.
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I prefer Hammerheart to Twilight of the Gods, but I think Blood on Ice is better than both. The very best.

Krow said:
Probably controversial here.

Quicksand Dream's latest album, Beheading Tyrants is AWFUL.

I've tried to listen to it three times now and every single time I've turned it off before it finished. It lacks everything I loved about Aelin. Kinda hurts me that I don't like it tbh. Massive disappointment.
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That's... Rather drastic. It's not as good as Aelin though I agree.

Aelin was so distinct and original, yet still deeply rooted in traditional metal.

Beheading Tyrants basically just sounds like Quicksand Dream wanted to fall in line with the average throwback epic/doom/progressive metal band. It's also a bit boring compared with Aelin.

I'm not sure if Beheading Tyrants even has a concept either, which seems a shame. They should have used the album to continue the story.
 
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Just want to air out an opinion and get other peoples perceptive. In the past 6 months or so I've listened to Deeds of Flesh so much it hardly seems reasonable with so many good bands out there. I don't know what it is about the guitar playing but the riffs get me hooked, like a drug. The production on everything up to crown of souls, I love it, not that the newer albums productions are bad just a different thing. I love that thick sound of the guitars.
 
Not really leeching when the father-son duo was vital to the albums' existence. All those tireless nights spent moving furniture out of the basement and recording equipment in, earning a paycheck to keep his little man big and strong with fresh lutefisk, hand-feeding him when he was sick, bed time stories of Norse legends, etc.
 
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