Controversial opinions on metal

[CiG]

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I find them agreeable, I can see why you or Ozz would disagree since we have different political views.

My political views are pretty much libertarian, but shit lyrics are shit lyrics. That's why I can admit Skyclad has better lyrics than Megadeth or Slayer even if my politics are going to be closer to the latter.

 

[The Butt]

The Who is a metal band.

Maybe to people 75 or older.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Maybe to people 75 or older.

Or under 18 apparently.

 

[PrincessHades]

I think it's more a question of mental capacity and not age here.

I use the original definition of heavy metal, because it's senseless to allow terms to change their meaning. It leads to confusion. The Who, Steppenwolf, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple are all metal, but as are black metal bands, for example. The only band I actively refer to as hard rock is Foreigner.

 

[Mort Divine]

it's senseless to allow terms to change their meaning

uh, that is how language fucking works

 

[Baroque]

I use the original definition of heavy metal, because it's senseless to allow terms to change their meaning. It leads to confusion. The Who, Steppenwolf, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple are all metal, but as are black metal bands, for example. The only band I actively refer to as hard rock is Foreigner.

So you must be referring to the elements such as lead, copper and cadmium, because that is the original definition of heavy metal and it's senseless to allow terms to change their meaning.

 

[The Butt]

I use the original definition of heavy metal, because it's senseless to allow terms to change their meaning. It leads to confusion. The Who, Steppenwolf, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple are all metal, but as are black metal bands, for example. The only band I actively refer to as hard rock is Foreigner.

You've been hanging out on the Black-Sabbath.com forums too long. They've poisoned you with shitty ideas.

I already told you, the only reason people call those bands metal is because at that point, when they were new, metal was in its infancy and hadn't found its identity yet. People were calling bands "metal", when they hadn't even figured out what metal was and wasn't, much less what bands to call it. Genres evolve, definitions evolve, this is fact; and people eventually realized there was a line separating bands like The Who, Steppenwolf, etc, and bands like Priest, Grim Reaper, etc, because claiming they're even remotely from the same genre is ridiculously stupid.

tl;dr version: You are using an antiquated, antediluvian definition for what constitutes metal, and gtfo with that shit; nobody seriously believes what you're saying other than geriatrics who don't know any better (and apparently impressionable 16-year olds also).

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

Steppenwolfen, Hendrix, LZ and Deep Purple, and The fucking Who are metal....? wtf?

 

[Serjeant Grumbles]

it's senseless to allow terms to change their meaning. It leads to confusion.

Ye knowe eek, that in forme of speche is chaunge
Withinne a thousand yeer, and wordes tho
That hadden prys, now wonder nyce and straunge
Us thinketh hem; and yet they spake hem so,

 

[PrincessHades]

 

[Sirjack]

pop-rock

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Immigrant Song is definitely a metal song.

 

[no country for old wainds]

can we just stop responding to iron tryhard pls

 

[The Butt]

Not metal.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

What in the fuck do jazz or "classicism" have to do with metal? Metal is fundamentally a form of pop music, the same as rock music in general.

 

[Master_Yoda77]

A reporter once described Steppenwolf's music as "heavy metal" or some shit and would probably be the only band on that list that I'd even think about being a metal band. Still, they aren't.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No rock band had ever used jazzy drumming nor quotations from famous classical pieces before Black Sabbath. Bands like Exodus or Obituary that tend to lack either are not metal. Got it.

 

[PrincessHades]

You've been hanging out on the Black-Sabbath.com forums too long. They've poisoned you with shitty ideas.

I already told you, the only reason people call those bands metal is because at that point, when they were new, metal was in its infancy and hadn't found its identity yet. People were calling bands "metal", when they hadn't even figured out what metal was and wasn't, much less what bands to call it. Genres evolve, definitions evolve, this is fact; and people eventually realized there was a line separating bands like The Who, Steppenwolf, etc, and bands like Priest, Grim Reaper, etc, because claiming they're even remotely from the same genre is ridiculously stupid.

tl;dr version: You are using an antiquated, antediluvian definition for what constitutes metal, and gtfo with that shit; nobody seriously believes what you're saying other than geriatrics who don't know any better (and apparently impressionable 16-year olds also).

You mean to say that I've been hanging around old people for too long? Sorry, but I find them more respectable.

Honestly, I haven't been posting there much. Either the site has gone way downhill or I've grown less naive. The site has never been the same ever since Joe closed the Black metal appreciation thread. You are definitely right in your accusations of them being closed minded...they have little tolerance for any extreme metal genres, and anything that isn't heavy is also trash to them. I made a new black metal thread, and it's seen a lot of activity, but the closing of the last one represents something...

 

[HamburgerBoy]

And, you missed the point. It was Sabbath's fusion of these things with blues rock, hard rock, psychedelic rock, dark, occult themes and lyrics, etc. that created metal. Of course other rock bands had done these things, but never were they combined with the other stuff I mentioned in the way Sabbath did.

So if the fusion of all those things is what defines metal, why is it that 99% of supposed metal bands that exist today fail to contain even half of those elements? I think you could argue that, based on our recent non-metal playlist, that Coven and VDGG and probably others fused most of those things independently of Sabbath as well.

Ultimately metal is defined by presence of metal riffs, which are defined by bands like Sabbath, Purple, and Priest using particular riffs to an extent that greatly exceeded other heavy rock bands, until a self-cycling musical scene centered around those riffs at the expense of others was formed.