Controversial opinions on metal

[HamburgerBoy]

I wouldn't say that it's "so present". Certainly not by the time of Master of Reality and beyond, which was their first full-fledged metal album.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

I wouldn't say that it's "so present". Certainly not by the time of Master of Reality and beyond, which was their first full-fledged metal album.

Paranoid and the eponymous are oozing with it, and it's very much still there in the percussion and acoustic instrumentals on MoR. It regains fervency on Vol. 4 and Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath too.

 

[CiG]

Autistic debate part 7283489273474.

 

[CiG]

Wanna debate about it?

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

Wanna debate about it?

You see, the volume of cubic autism per autist is 3.1415 here, so we can't say it's fully autistic until we have actual radial measurements of the physical quantities of autism pervading the area.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

So, despite the explicit involvement of Mr. HamburgerBoy, we can't yet scientifically verify this as full autism.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Paranoid and the eponymous are oozing with it, and it's very much still there in the percussion and acoustic instrumentals on MoR. It regains fervency on Vol. 4 and Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath too.

Orchid is supposed to be jazz? lmao.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

Orchid is supposed to be jazz? lmao.

Listen to the arpeggios at the start:



There's a clear jazz lineage here.



Plus the blatant classicism and folkier element.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The chord progressions in Orchid sound much more classical to me, doesn't sound much like the above song other than both being based on the same very basic rhythm. If a brief acoustic classical doodle qualifies, then let's just call all of progressive rock metal.

 

[PrincessHades]

Twilight of the Gods and Blood on Ice are superior to Hammerheart. I'm listening to "Man of Iron" right now. Such a beautiful song.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

The chord progressions in Orchid sound much more classical to me, doesn't sound much like the above song other than both being based on the same very basic rhythm. If a brief acoustic classical doodle qualifies, then let's just call all of progressive rock metal.

You really like false sequiturs, don't you? They're interestingly similar in rhythm and phrasing is all, and it's important to note that one of Tony Iommi's heroes is none other than Django Reinhardt.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The rhythm isn't remotely jazz and being influenced by a guy that plays jazz doesn't mean you've added jazz elements to your sound though, so who cares?

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

The rhythm isn't remotely jazz and being influenced by a guy that plays jazz doesn't mean you've added jazz elements to your sound though, so who cares?

You even said it yourself that they share the same basic rhythm, but alright. Fair enough on the second part, but listening to some of his acoustic work, I find it difficult to believe he wasn't at least marginally influenced by Django.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The rhythm predates jazz. It's not a jazz rhythm. It's not a jazz anything.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

The rhythm predates jazz. It's not a jazz rhythm. It's not a jazz anything.

On further thought, true. Apologies.

 

[PrincessHades]

You even said it yourself that they share the same basic rhythm, but alright. Fair enough on the second part, but listening to some of his acoustic work, I find it difficult to believe he wasn't at least marginally influenced by Django.

Django was the one who inspired him to continue playing after suffering a partial finger amputation. One would have to think that he at least influenced Tony to an extent. There more detectable jazz in Bill's drumming, though.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

Django was the one who inspired him to continue playing after suffering a partial finger amputation. One would have to think that he at least influenced Tony to an extent. There more detectable jazz in Bill's drumming, though.

Kid, I've been listening to Sabbath forever, you think I don't know that?

 

[Krow]

Probably controversial here.

Quicksand Dream's latest album, Beheading Tyrants is AWFUL.

I've tried to listen to it three times now and every single time I've turned it off before it finished. It lacks everything I loved about Aelin. Kinda hurts me that I don't like it tbh. Massive disappointment.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i wouldn't go as far as awful but yeah, not great.

 

[CiG]

Twilight of the Gods and Blood on Ice are superior to Hammerheart. I'm listening to "Man of Iron" right now. Such a beautiful song.

I prefer Hammerheart to Twilight of the Gods, but I think Blood on Ice is better than both. The very best.

Probably controversial here.

Quicksand Dream's latest album, Beheading Tyrants is AWFUL.

I've tried to listen to it three times now and every single time I've turned it off before it finished. It lacks everything I loved about Aelin. Kinda hurts me that I don't like it tbh. Massive disappointment.

That's... Rather drastic. It's not as good as Aelin though I agree.

Aelin was so distinct and original, yet still deeply rooted in traditional metal.

Beheading Tyrants basically just sounds like Quicksand Dream wanted to fall in line with the average throwback epic/doom/progressive metal band. It's also a bit boring compared with Aelin.

I'm not sure if Beheading Tyrants even has a concept either, which seems a shame. They should have used the album to continue the story.