Controversial opinions on metal

[Baroque]

Thrash metal has the worst fanbase in the entire metal scene. Who the hell cares about the big four anymore?

Ask the sold out Rose Bowl crowd seeing Metallica with me last night. 70k fans right there.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

... my ears hurt just reading that post.

Wtf is Anthrax doing over Dark Angel in a power ranking. Maybe popularity ranking

i also would've been shocked ... if it was coming from anyone else.

 

[EspaDa]

... my ears hurt just reading that post.

Why? Elaborate.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

... because i would have loved to be there(Rose Bowl is about 2 miles from my house), but i'm not sure what it would have done to my tinnitus.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

here's the thing though, i havent lost any hearing(i took a hearing test) and im 99% sure that i didnt get it from loud music/noises etc. But my ears have become muuuuch more sensitive to loud noises. so weird.

 

[EspaDa]

... because i would have loved to be there(Rose Bowl is about 2 miles from my house), but i'm not sure what it would have done to my tinnitus.

Ah, okay, thought you responded to this:

Thrash metal has the worst fanbase in the entire metal scene. Who the hell cares about the big four anymore?

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

i used the little orange earplugs, but i havent been shooting in years. I think it might have to do with an overload of stress, or maybe a pinched nerve from working out wrong or something. It might've even been some ibu-profen(ototoxic) that i took back then.

no one in my family has had tinnitus, and some of them look at me like i'm crazy when i try and explain it to them. Like they think im hearing voices or some shit lol, so i dont even bother anymore.

but yeah man i saw one of those headphones at my friends house a few months ago and was amazed. I could hear everyone around me talking but it would cancel out the loud/piercing noises.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Overkill only has two eternal classics for me, Feel the Fire and Horrorscope

I would have put The Years of Decay on there as well but of those three, Horrorscope is definitely my favorite.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Wtf is Anthrax doing over Dark Angel in a power ranking. Maybe popularity ranking

I'd reorder most of this list but don't feel like it atm

"Maybe" popularity ranking? Absolutely popularity. Dark Angel never charted with a single album nor did they ever make it to a major label. Popularity is a factor in a power ranking, as well as reach. Anthrax did influence a lot of bands; shitty ones, often, but influence nonetheless. Dark Angel was influential too, but I think it would be difficult to say that Dark Angel was much more influential, if at all more.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I just would like to know what the fuck Heathen is doing third from last? Three classic records, one of those nearly 30 years after their supposed prime, and they're at the bottom of the food chain? I don't think so. I'm not sure Exodus should be above Sodom either.

Reunion stuff doesn't count (and that third album is garbage anyways aside from the tracks from the 2005 demo). Heathen was late on the scene and didn't have a very distinctive sound. At the very least, they certainly don't deserve to be placed above bands like Death Angel, Sacred Reich, Annihilator, or Bulldozer. If you want to put them above Deathrow though then fine, whatevs.

Exodus absolutely belongs over Sodom. California, 1982, is where it began, and Sodom was not a part of that.

I would have put The Years of Decay on there as well but of those three, Horrorscope is definitely my favorite.

Too derivative of 86-88 era Metallica, but it's grown on me over time, definitely some great songwriting there.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

but I think it would be difficult to say that Dark Angel was much more influential, if at all more.

Lmfao! Keep going bro, just keep going. How many thrash albums do you own again? Now go open them up and read through the album inserts. stupid fuckin' pleb.

Heathen .....At the very least, they certainly don't deserve to be placed above bands like Death Angel, Sacred Reich, Annihilator, or Bulldozer.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Lmfao! Keep going bro, just keep going. How many thrash albums do you own again? Now go open them up and read through the album inserts. stupid fuckin' pleb.

Anthrax's sound can be heard all over the East Coast sound as well as in crossover bands. I guess I should add that I consider SOD to basically belong to Anthrax even though it was basically just a brief side project. Dark Angel was very influential too, but Slayer kind of usurped a lot of that. I'd say that Dark Angel's primary musical innovation was in their use of indistinct, speed-over-everything riffs with minimal pedal-point chugging. I perhaps hear more direct Dark Angel ideas in bands like Incantation than I do Slayer, but overall Dark Angel just had a rarer, harder-to-imitate sound.

Death Angel has basically everything Heathen has and more by any objective standards. Same scene but earlier, better selling, and on a major label. Sacred Reich sold many more copies and were on a major label. My dad owned Sacred Reich albums before I started downloading more obscure stuff, he didn't own any Heathen. Annihilator wins on the popularity of the first two albums alone, even if it took longer for them to be signed (note that their first demos predate Heathen's). Bulldozer is among the earliest European thrash bands and a notable influence on the early black metal scene. All of those bands clearly beat Heathen in an objective power ranking.

 

[Baroque]

I'd go

Sacred Reich
Heathen
Bulldozer

(huge drop off)

Death Angel
Annihilator

The top three are really close though and different styles that you can't really compare

 

[Baroque]

Anthrax's sound can be heard all over the East Coast sound as well as in crossover bands. I guess I should add that I consider SOD to basically belong to Anthrax even though it was basically just a brief side project. Dark Angel was very influential too, but Slayer kind of usurped a lot of that. I'd say that Dark Angel's primary musical innovation was in their use of indistinct, speed-over-everything riffs with minimal pedal-point chugging. I perhaps hear more direct Dark Angel ideas in bands like Incantation than I do Slayer, but overall Dark Angel just had a rarer, harder-to-imitate sound.

Death Angel has basically everything Heathen has and more by any objective standards. Same scene but earlier, better selling, and on a major label. Sacred Reich sold many more copies and were on a major label. My dad owned Sacred Reich albums before I started downloading more obscure stuff, he didn't own any Heathen. Annihilator wins on the popularity of the first two albums alone, even if it took longer for them to be signed (note that their first demos predate Heathen's). Bulldozer is among the earliest European thrash bands and a notable influence on the early black metal scene. All of those bands clearly beat Heathen in an objective power ranking.

You have a weird definition of power ranking, you seem to mean just influence ranking. Power ranking I'm thinking of like football, the strongest teams or the bands with the strongest albums.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You have a weird definition of power ranking, you seem to mean just influence ranking. Power ranking I'm thinking of like football, the strongest teams or the bands with the strongest albums.

I'm trying to be quasi-objective here. Major label status deserves points, high sales deserves points, influence deserves points, number of significant albums deserves points. If we're just calling favorites, then obviously Mekong Delta belongs in the top 10 and Sodom not even in the top 50.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Heathen are far better band that have far better albums than every other band mentioned there. Deathrow is the only one that comes close.

 

[CiG]

yeah. They consistently pumped out crap after crap from the 90's(post Horrorscope) all the way up to 2010, where they finally released a good album again.

Sure, but don't Overkill have more good albums than Metallica, Anthrax and Slayer? Megadeth would be the most consistent of the big thrash bands I guess.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

more good albums than Slayer? Close. Metallica? Id say they have 5 good albums, but i honestly havent give their more recent stuff a real shot yet. And i cant really call Overkill "consistently good" if they pumped our shitty albums for almost 20 years. That's why i agree with you on referring to them as just consistent. If we take away their last three albums, there would be no comparison.

I dont have a single Overkill album ranked above 4/5

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Heathen are far better band that have far better albums than every other band mentioned there. Deathrow is the only one that comes close.

When it comes to personal enjoyment, I prefer Heathen to Death Angel and Sacred Reich as well. Maybe Bulldozer too, though Neurodeliri on its own puts up a tough fight. Heathen putting their albums on their website for free was *the* catalyst for my getting into more underground thrash, so it's not like I can ever hate them. Doesn't change the fact that Heathen is on a slightly lower tier.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Just listened to In Sorte Diaboli and Abrahadabra, and for the first time didn't hate them... if I wasn't a Dimmu fanboy before, I guess I am now