Fair enough. Now, though, why do you think that doom metal is stupid, low-brow, burn-out music?Wow, OK, so my vocabulary apparently failed me there. I was under the assumption that "meat-head" was a general term for "stupid"; I had no idea all of you use it as a term for "jocks". Doom metal, is, IMO, "stupid", "low-brow", or even "burn-out" music.
Now I feel like the idiot.
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I have never heard doom metal described as stupid. Usually people think it's boring or perhaps cheesy, but never stupid. Stupid is an adjective usually reserved for bands with simplistic riffs and songwriting. Doom metal is often minimalistic but I don't think I've ever heard a good doom band (funeral or otherwise) that was simplistic.
Einherjar86
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Okay, I'm not reading those, sorry; that format's just a pain in the ass.
I maintain that I'm not grasping at straws though. There are certain aesthetic principles that abound in doom and, I think, penetrate every (or almost every) aspect of the genre, including a sludgingly executed approach to playing, slower tempos, and similar chord progressions.
I'm not sure how convincing my argument is, but I think it's enough to say that when I listen to funeral doom I associate it much more with doom in general than I do with death metal.
EDIT: if you'd like to highlight some of the points made in those writings you posted I'd be interested in hearing them.
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Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
Alright, there is a particular bit in it that I think sums up my feelings on the subject properly.
One day I swear I'm going to print those out at work and then type them word for word to a text document so people can actually read it.
One day I swear I'm going to print those out at work and then type them word for word to a text document so people can actually read it.
Einherjar86
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"...doom has its defining traits buried deeper in the song structure, the overall atmosphere of the music, and in the entire doom culture surrounding the music."
What's he saying here? It seems to me that he's specifying what I said earlier by referring to common aesthetic qualities. Bands like Thergothon employ some death metal techniques as an influence in the sound; but at heart they're still doom metal bands. It seems to me that you're trying to argue that they're something other than doom metal.
What's he saying here? It seems to me that he's specifying what I said earlier by referring to common aesthetic qualities. Bands like Thergothon employ some death metal techniques as an influence in the sound; but at heart they're still doom metal bands. It seems to me that you're trying to argue that they're something other than doom metal.
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
Because, imo, they are.
I think this is probably the most important line in the section I quoted.
I think this is probably the most important line in the section I quoted.
Einherjar86
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But he's acknowledging that the atmosphere is the same, it's just influenced by different aspects of life/reality.
Saparmurat_Niyazov
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Because the following statement can be twisted in a quasi-ironic fashion into a way of proving my point.
Most traditional doom acts, and even some doom/death acts beat the shit out of a 3 chord riff for 15 - 20 minutes at a time. Yeah, I understand the tempo is extremely slow, but if you take the time to count it out, you realize that E minor, A, D# minor over and over again at 4/4 time for 32 measures is proto-stone age drudgery. So yes, doom metal is simplistic. I'm being overly specific when I say this, but Dave Chandler's guitar solos literally feel like he is scraping brain cells of my skull.
Now, I've heard good doom, but if you think about it, it can't really be classified as doom anymore, because the tempo breaks 85 bpm once in a while, and sometimes has the occasional double-kicked beat. There are tempo changes, variety in tonality, i.e. not "true" doom metal.
It is also possible that my blanket critique of the doom genre could be skewed by the shit quality of Southern Lord's roster. They need to focus of black metal and stop putting out 5th rate doom and drone nonsense.
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
Earlier in the piece he is arguing against such bands being considered doom, it isn't an argument piece for them to BE doom.
Einherjar86
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That doesn't change the fact that he acknowledges that the atmosphere of the music is the same. Maybe he messed up in his argument, but it clearly seems to me that he's indicating that both traditional and more experimental doom bands share a similar atmosphere; it's just the source of their inspiration that differs.
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
I really don't get how you're remotely getting this out of what I posted.
He's saying the atmosphere of doom, the structure of doom, the culture of doom is DIFFERENT from these modern "doom" bands.
It's still much closer to the atmosphere of trad. doom than it is to death metal. The goal is still to convey some kind of sadness and despair, although in a somewhat darker form.
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
I'd say that atmospherically it is closer to a mixture of death and black metal elements than trad. doom.
Musically it just has nothing to do with doom though.
Musically it just has nothing to do with doom though.
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
Not often but on occasion. Honestly though bands like Esoteric, My Dying Bride, Monolithe, Skepticism, etc. just are NOT doom.
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
Okay, seriously I don't think anyone here aside from Rumpole would even agree with me so lets just end this discussion as it is going no where fast.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
Yeah, some guy on the inside of a scene made a menifesto/ultimatum of what the scene should be. I'm sure he's not biased.
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