Controversial opinions on metal

[HamburgerBoy]

Well I recently mentioned on the Remedy Lane boards that I think Daniel really isn't an amazing lyricist. He has VERY good songs lyrically such as Her Voices, Beyond the Pale, Stress, The Perfect Element, etc. but then goes and shits it up with pretty cheesy songs such as Dea Pecuniae, Sleeping Under the Stars, and America.

I don't really think of it as pretentious but rather cheesy and poorly written.

Though Dae Pecuniae was meant to be theatrical and I guess in a sense most things that are theatrical are by nature going to be cheesy.

EDIT:

For the record Martin Walkyier was absolutely god at the whole sociopolitical lyrical themes in Skyclad.

Well, the cheese is a pretty significant factor. The way that a lyricist conveys an overdone topic can easily increase the pretentiousness as much as the nature of the topic itself. It's not just the subject that has overblown importance, but the lyric's own reason for existence as well. He contributes no arguments even remotely unexplored and for all the epic storylines he tries to set up, it's only a small step above the CNN thrash of the late 80's.

And with Walkyier I agree; can't believe I forgot him as they're the only band that I really enjoy reading the lyrics of. There's a lot of variety from song to song topic-wise, and he not only can argue a point, but can do it with some really venomous wit as well. Perfect example of what I like if a band wants to be political.

 

[damnromulans]

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I would like to be able to enjoy my music without worrying about whether I am giving money to Sea Shepherd. I enjoy abstract and absurd lyrics best in metal. Like Carnivore. "I eat meat! I'd love to meet ya!"

 

[mutantllama]

There's a place for social consciousness, but I think metal music is almost never it.

For the most part, besides some thrash and some doom.

 

[waif]

No political/social lyrics in metal is a rule. Skyclad are the exception. Why? Because Walkyier is witty and only moderately self-righteous and Skyclad rock like motherfuckers.

 

[DEATH_TO_THE_FALSE]

No political/social lyrics in metal is a rule. Skyclad are the exception. Why? Because Walkyier is witty and only moderately self-righteous and Skyclad rock like motherfuckers.

I feel there are more exceptions to that "rule". Some of my favorite bands have some political lyrics; Misery Index, Carcass, Brutal Truth, and Dying Fetus...Why? Because they fucking rule.

 

[Mort Divine]

those bands are all trash aside from carcass (but they were shit as a metal band anyways)

 

[waif]

What's wrong, mort? Life getting you down? 12-year-olds not getting in the van?

 

[Mort Divine]

Actually life is good ever since I dropped the bitch, just no tolerating shit music!

 

[waif]

You dropped a baby? Monster!

 

[Mort Divine]

I possibly did that in the process

 

[DEATH_TO_THE_FALSE]

those bands are all trash aside from carcass (but they were shit as a metal band anyways)

Actually life is good ever since I dropped the bitch, just no tolerating shit music!

You think those bands are shit music? Cool. To each is their own.

 

[Mort Divine]

Dying Fetus and Misery Index are super shit music, Carcass was great as a grind act, and Brutal Truth haven't been remotely good for over a decade.

 

[Einherjar86]

Always a good way to go about things.

Holocaust? Didn't happen.

 

[DEATH_TO_THE_FALSE]

Dying Fetus and Misery Index are super shit music, Carcass was great as a grind act, and Brutal Truth haven't been remotely good for over a decade.

So the way you evaluate your opinions on bands is, when a band hasnt been "good" in over a decade, you disregard everything good theyve produced and label them "shit music"?

 

[Mort Divine]

If a band hasn't released anything good in over a decade, despite the fact that they may have released two good albums or so early on, the band AS A WHOLE is shit.

 

[DEATH_TO_THE_FALSE]

Interesting point of view.

 

[Chanakya]

Dying Fetus and Misery Index are super shit music

Wrong.

 

[The Ozzman]

Don't mind Mort, he has shitty taste in music

 

[Mort Divine]

Anyone who likes Dying Fetus and Misery Index has shit taste in music. Don't listen to Mr. "I Like Killswitch Engage" here.

 

[waif]

Paramore, Pain of Salvation, and twelve year olds.

It's not looking good, dude.