PT is the definition of being prog for the sake of being prog. Steven Wilson is the human manifestation of the word pretentious on this earth. This is not to say I utterly hate PT...used to be a huge fan of Stupid Dream/Lightbulb Sun, and still keep a few of their songs on my iPod...but yeah, Steven Wilson's mindset is more along the lines of regressive rock.
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matt schrauben
Curse You All Men!
Totally disagree. The reason most prog rock and a lot of prog metal is so boring is because the lack of memorable melodies. It's mostly just wankery for the sake of wankery.
SomeGuyDude
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They're pretentious, and I don't like 'em, but I never got the idea they were doing anything except their own thing. But that's way better than nonsense bands who just sit down and try to ape Dream Theater or Tool and are all "we're progressive!"
EDIT: And "regressive" would be shit like Graveyard or Kadavar or the various "old-school" whatever metal bands that listened to the formative albums of a given genre and then try to REPLICATE that sound. That's backward movement. I'm all for bands trying to refine a sound or really nail a given subgenre, that's fine. But when it's just bland copying of better albums from 10, 20 30 years ago that's just bullshit.
SomeGuyDude
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LOL good call. I like a couple but only when it feels like they take the old school sound and add to it in some way. Or for certain sounds where I like 'em so much I just want a million albums of it (see: slam/brutal, post).
Yeah, like it's interesting to see new syntheses of various styles, but straight-up Incantation/Suffocation/Darkthrone/etc. clones...no thanks.
Eligos
Problem Yet to be Solved
I don't think a truly progressive band can be described or tagged as progressive unless it's by people outside of the band. Leave it up to the journalists.
But what I can say about progressive artists is they tend to truly appreciate myriad styles of music and have a natural sense of sound adoption and integration.
The moment a band starts to define itself is the moment it allows itself to stagnate and regress.
Liturgy is headed toward a creative dearth.
But what I can say about progressive artists is they tend to truly appreciate myriad styles of music and have a natural sense of sound adoption and integration.
The moment a band starts to define itself is the moment it allows itself to stagnate and regress.
Liturgy is headed toward a creative dearth.
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
KafkaX
Mr. Self Destruct
No, calling Graveyard or Kadavar bland copy cats is bullshit.
Yes I will agree they are heavily influenced from pioneers of that particular style and sound, but I dont believe they are not *copying* those albums for one of the main reasons is that they simply cant. No one can. That shit is untouchable. But they can still use those as a influence in the direction of their sound while still making it their own.
SomeGuyDude
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Maybe I gotta give 'em another shot, but damn dude I tried listening to the latest Graveyard and almost fell asleep.
KafkaX
Mr. Self Destruct
divine_torture
leVel
I think Rotting Christ is a band that should get more love. Their entire catalog is pure quality, even Genesis, which was mediocre for their standards. They've done what I wish more bands would do right: Progressed without stagnation and still producing quality music.
EffigyForgotten
New Metal Member
This bullshit again. If you really want to talk technical terms, djent isn't even a fucking "genre" its a guitar technique, nothing more.
EffigyForgotten
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Eligos
Problem Yet to be Solved
Man, Rotting Christ and Moonspell both fail at a skill that's nigh impossible to gauge when you're actually writing music. Their tunes don't have much return value. You can hear the whole album in one listen. There's not much to bring you back to it. But it's catchy and gets you whistling/humming along.
That's why I still buy their stuff.
I'd argue that they were creative at inception, but quickly grew narcissistic and that drove them into self-parody.
By the way, I wrote a manifesto.
That's why I still buy their stuff.
I'd argue that they were creative at inception, but quickly grew narcissistic and that drove them into self-parody.
By the way, I wrote a manifesto.
divine_torture
leVel
Well yeah, duh. But they already get their love.
I really disagree. Everything they've put out has a high return value for me. Well, not Moonspell. They just bore the fuck out of me. But Rotting Christ keeps everything feeling new while still maintaining their style and melody, and it never feels like it meshes together too much.
"I Wrote A Manifesto" sounds like a deathcore band name.
Eligos
Problem Yet to be Solved
IWAM for short.
Fuckin A. Justin we need to make that band. I could metal the core right out of these manchildren.
Fuckin A. Justin we need to make that band. I could metal the core right out of these manchildren.
divine_torture
leVel
I lol'd out loud fucking hard at IWAM. HA! We could do that and not even have guaged ear rings...
Spiderchrist
The Unjesus
Damn fucking right. It's near impossible to play a song like Won't Get Fooled Again with an intention to sound the same as Keith. It just cannot be done. Same with Gar Samuelson of Megadeth. His playing was so loose and unique, probably because of his jazz/fusion background.
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