Controversial opinions on metal

MrTagoMago said:
OK then Voivod. Target earth and Post Society were both awesome and had actual musical integrity. They've been around just as long as Metallica even though the line up less stable.

Really imo they were only down for the Negatron, Phobos, and self titled run but then they got back on their feet with Katorz.
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Still not comparable.

CASSETTEISGOD said:
Especially if your band never really had any genuine, cohesive concept or point behind the music other than "fuck yeah loud shit."
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How do Voïvod or Frank Zappa come under ^this?

Essentially what I'm saying is, people expect a lot from a band like Metallica, even though they're just a bunch of metal/rock derps that never seemed to have a higher calling with their art to begin with. They've always been meat and potatos.

Edit: also, Voïvod and Frank Zappa never found the kind of soul-sucking success that Metallica did.
 
CASSETTEISGOD said:
Still not comparable.



How do Voïvod or Frank Zappa come under ^this?

Essentially what I'm saying is, people expect a lot from a band like Metallica, even though they're just a bunch of metal/rock derps that never seemed to have a higher calling with their art to begin with. They've always been meat and potatos.
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I was going based on the first thing you said. To be fair even if I didn't like the music nearly as much as most they were at the very least ambitious during the 80s and did manage out some interesting and memorable tracks here and there mostly on RTL though.

Still I think for a band labeled by so many as the biggest metal band of all time I do think they should be held to a certain standard and I don't think people should let them get away with mediocre rubbish just because it's better than most of the garbage they've put out. They fact that this 3 minute sample can be called the best thing we've heard from them since the Black Album really says a lot about the state of this band.
 
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MrTagoMago said:
I was going based on the first thing you said.
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CASSETTEISGOD said:
How do you become as mainstream and successful as they became and retain any degree of inspiration 35-36 years later that can fuel you to keep making great, or at least not mundane, music?
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This first ^part?

Voïvod and Frank Zappa had mainstream success? loluwish.

But seriously, not many people/bands can dip in and out of mainstream success for decades and remain both relevant and inspired. David Bowie comes to mind.
 
CASSETTEISGOD said:
This first ^part?

Voïvod and Frank Zappa had mainstream success? loluwish.

But seriously, not many people/bands can dip in and out of mainstream success for decades and remain both relevant and inspired. David Bowie comes to mind.
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Oops I missed that point. I can kinda see an argument for Frank Zappa being mainstream I mean his name is probably a lot more well known than his music but he's definitely not underground. Voivod may have never had any real mainstream success but I would say Nothingface, Angel rat, and The outer limits had songs I could imagine being played on the radio. I guess what your saying though is you lose artistic integrity when you become super popular.

I would agree with David Bowie. Many will disagree on this but I for me Judas Priest comes to mind. I quite liked Angel of retribution.
 
CASSETTEISGOD said:
Metallica? I wouldn't have a clue, but that's basically my point, people are expecting the wrong band to still be inspired and great, 35 years after their debut.

Ain't gonna happen.
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Yeah I remember that they didn't do music videos during those first 3 album, but then after Justice they did one for One. I myself don't expect them to still be inspired and great again I never cared much for them in the first place, but I dislike how just the idea of it not being as terrible as a lot of their previous albums makes it a success as if all these fans have their head so far stuck up they're ass they're willing to accept mediocrity from these washed up has been while you have all these other classic thrash bands who are actually managing out some really good stuff.
 
MrTagoMago said:
Yeah I remember that they didn't do music videos during those first 3 album, but then after Justice they did one for One. I myself don't expect them to still be inspired and great again I never cared much for them in the first place, but I dislike how just the idea of it not being as terrible as a lot of their previous albums makes it a success as if all these fans have their head so far stuck up they're ass they're willing to accept mediocrity from these washed up has been while you have all these other classic thrash bands who are actually managing out some really good stuff.
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There wasn't enough demand for that kind of music for them to make music videos before One. The One video was a breakthrough because they realised thrash music could actually gain airtime on MTV.

So in response they decided to turn into a redneck hard rock band.
 
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Internally Deformed said:
There wasn't enough demand for that kind of music for them to make music videos before One. The One video was a breakthrough because they realised thrash music could actually gain airtime on MTV.

So in response they decided to turn into a redneck hard rock band.
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But lesser known thrash bands were already making music videos before then.
 
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Anthrax, but I'm not really a thrash video expert. I'm going off an interview I watched with Metallica years ago in which they described how the One video was a breakthrough for them and changed the rules for the kind of music shown on MTV. I wasn't alive then, so I can't testify first hand to its accuracy.
 
Internally Deformed said:
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Anthrax, but I'm not really a thrash video expert. I'm going off an interview I watched with Metallica years ago in which they described how the One video was a breakthrough for them and changed the rules for the kind of music shown on MTV. I wasn't alive then, so I can't testify first hand to its accuracy.
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Well there's a music video for Peace sells. Overkill had one for In union we stand. Voivod had one for Ravenous medicine. Kreator had one for Toxic trace. I've no clue if they were all played on MTV though so if someone wants to elaborate please go ahead ^^
 
MrTagoMago said:
Well there's a music video for Peace sells. Overkill had one for In union we stand. Voivod had one for Ravenous medicine. Kreator had one for Toxic trace. I've no clue if they were all played on MTV though so if someone wants to elaborate please go ahead ^^
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I'm sure they were on Headbangers Ball. Lesser known bands than those had videos on there (back when MTV was worth anything)
 
Baroque said:
I'm sure they were on Headbangers Ball. Lesser known bands than those had videos on there (back when MTV was worth anything)
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Oh yeah that show. OK but then why didn't Metallica have any for those first 3 albums as big as they were in the metal scene.
 
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