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yeah it's a slightly more experimental BS. l can see how some would not take to it. l tend to gravitate towards those songs more than other albums for some reason. Maybe because it's the first Sabbath album l heard.
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'spiral architect' is my fav from SBS, but that album's my least favourite of the first five as well, and SABOTAGE is another big drop off for me. their production and musicianship remains god tier up to that point but they'd started to become such a tonal grab bag, you can tell there's scant unity between the guys' ambitions anymore and they don't know how to pull that together into a coherent album. they were really lacking economy by that point too, you could chop a couple of minutes off many of the songs and improve them. i'd also argue that the r'n'r/pop-rock/prog tropes littering SABOTAGE were far more commonplace in the mid-'70s than the sound sabbath were doing before, and that a style (or collection of styles) that's considered a mark of maturity and newfound adventure is actually a regression.
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I agree with you that they were kind of going in every direction by then. I do think that Ozzy pulled off some of his best performances during those two albums though. "Megalomania" has probably his most impressive singing out of any track.
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I have given Heartwork so many listens over the years and i don't know why. It's so much shallower compared to their earlier work, and Necroticism is everything Heartwork is and about a billion times better. I honestly find Heartwork to be a watered down Necroticism, and really dont see myself spinning it much if ever again in the nextfew years.
I have also tried time and again to get into The Chasm, and i definitely recognize their originality, but have never felt the needat any time to stop and throw on Deathcult or anything.
I have also tried time and again to get into The Chasm, and i definitely recognize their originality, but have never felt the needat any time to stop and throw on Deathcult or anything.
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I really dont like modern Carcass too much, although i obviously respect what they accomplished
and i really really dont like whatever the fuck they were doing in 96
ive never heard anyone say heartwork is a water down version of necroticism but i agree with that sentiment 100 percent
and i really really dont like whatever the fuck they were doing in 96
ive never heard anyone say heartwork is a water down version of necroticism but i agree with that sentiment 100 percent
I've only listened to Heartwork twice and as far as melodic death (or black) metal goes, it's just not as good as some other big releases in that same subgenre. Between Dark Tranquility, Edge of Sanity, Dissection, In Flames, etc., they all had better releases at the time than what Heartwork was. Necroticism is pretty good though.
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Spiral Architect is probably my favorite from SBS too.
Heartwork is garbage and I don't even understand what was supposedly innovative about it. Half the album isn't even death metal, and that kind of melo-whatever riffing is basically just a continuation on what thrash bands like Testament, Kreator, and Believer were doing a couple years earlier. Arbeit Macht Frei and Embodiment are the only ones that sound remotely different from their peers.
Heartwork is garbage and I don't even understand what was supposedly innovative about it. Half the album isn't even death metal, and that kind of melo-whatever riffing is basically just a continuation on what thrash bands like Testament, Kreator, and Believer were doing a couple years earlier. Arbeit Macht Frei and Embodiment are the only ones that sound remotely different from their peers.
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i guess an even more controversial thing for me to say is is that i think surgical steel is better than heartwork
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I'm disappointed. The Chasm is pretty much the best death metal band ever and Deathcult is their peak.
Have you tried any of their other albums?
Try the others. I like Deathcult the least of all their stuff.
lol and lol
Yerfdaug
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I heard one of their others, can't rememver which, but I know it wasn't their last release.
Oh I'll definitely try some others of theirs in time. i usually give albums that are widely acclaimed at least 10 listens before I write em off if i ain't feeling them.
I have also tried listening to that Cenotaph debut a bunch of times, and i just can't make it past the production job. And I'm a sucker for old school muddy sound, but the edition i heard made it diwnright impossible to hear anything the guitars were doing.
Oh I'll definitely try some others of theirs in time. i usually give albums that are widely acclaimed at least 10 listens before I write em off if i ain't feeling them.
I have also tried listening to that Cenotaph debut a bunch of times, and i just can't make it past the production job. And I'm a sucker for old school muddy sound, but the edition i heard made it diwnright impossible to hear anything the guitars were doing.
Krow
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Maybe you heard a shitty rip of The Gloomy Reflections because that album is massive.
My copy of Rise of Excruciation sounds like ass but it's still nasty stuff.
My copy of Rise of Excruciation sounds like ass but it's still nasty stuff.
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Sorry, I forgot they never hit the lofty heights of Jungle Rot and Heartwork.
Yerfdaug, I'd recommend trying Farseeing the Paranornal Abysm. I've known a few people get into the band with that album, and it's a great release anyway. Procession to the Infraworld is their other masterpiece (imo) so check that one out as well if you haven't.
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I remember when someone let me borrow Heartwork years ago and I couldn't figure out why anyone liked it.
An opinion that I reached lately is that there is only a small handful of albums that reach the same wonderful energy and attitude that Cirith Ungol effortlessly managed on Frost and Fire.
An opinion that I reached lately is that there is only a small handful of albums that reach the same wonderful energy and attitude that Cirith Ungol effortlessly managed on Frost and Fire.
Maybe that's why (LUL) few ever attain its glorious status.
Man...and I'm the one to talk about terrible puns.
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Controversial opinion: Heavy metal sounds like shit coming out of conventional speakers, unless they have good tweeters and an equalizer is employed to cut the mids.
Yerfdaug
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Probably not so controversial but:
everytime i read about Cobalt it's just someone heaping praise. Am I the only one bored as shit listening to them? It's the same chord slides and cliche flourish on top of every riff, songs and albums are way too long for their own good, and then when they start doing clean chord progression shit to top it all off they get even more boring somehow. I really don't know what people think is so great about them. They would probably be decent if the guitarist jerkd off the Jerry Cantrell a little bit less, scrapped the emo clean parts, and wrote albums half as long, but i don't if even that would save the predictability of a lot the riffs for me.
Who knows, maybe I am the only one. After all I'm in the minority of people who didn't find the newest Bolzer boring so the same shit could be tossed right back at me.
everytime i read about Cobalt it's just someone heaping praise. Am I the only one bored as shit listening to them? It's the same chord slides and cliche flourish on top of every riff, songs and albums are way too long for their own good, and then when they start doing clean chord progression shit to top it all off they get even more boring somehow. I really don't know what people think is so great about them. They would probably be decent if the guitarist jerkd off the Jerry Cantrell a little bit less, scrapped the emo clean parts, and wrote albums half as long, but i don't if even that would save the predictability of a lot the riffs for me.
Who knows, maybe I am the only one. After all I'm in the minority of people who didn't find the newest Bolzer boring so the same shit could be tossed right back at me.
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