Controversial opinions on metal

[CiG]

I'd rather have good nonmetal, than garbage to mediocre metal.

Haven't heard a single modern thrash album I currently like. I dabbled in Vektor for a bit but that faded fast.

How many modern thrash metal albums did you give a try?

If you fine gentlemen have the time and interest throw up 5 or so top tier modern thrash albums here or in the thrash thread.

Thrash:

1. Droid - Terrestrial Mutations
2. Bestial Invasion - Contra Omnes
3. Deathhammer - Onward to the Pits
4. Nekromantheon - Rise, Vulcan Spectre
5. Extravasion - Origins of Magma
6. Entrench - Inevitable Decay
7. Dark Design - Prey for the Future
8. Hellbringer - Awakened From The Abyss
9. Division Speed - Division Speed
10. Rupture - Rise From The Mass Graves

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

It depends on what you mean as 'modern' but I'll just assume anything within the last 15 years will work

Not including Primordial because their albums after Spirit and Storm aren't really black metal, also not including bands like Chapel or Midnight

Beherit - Engram
Katharsis - VVorld VVithout End
Ascension - Consolamentum
Negura Bunget - OM
Sorcier Des Glaces - Moonrise in Total Darkness

HMs to:
Morrigan - Welcome to Samhain
Lunar Aurora - Andacht
Inquisition - Nefarious Dismal Orations
Cultes Des Ghoules - Haxan
Ketzer - Satan's Boundaries Unchained
Hades Archer - The Curse Over Mankind

Well that's because Midnight and Chapel arent black metal bands. That being said i dont know why i typed modern in my original post. What i actualy wanted to know were your overall favorite black metal albums.

Inquisition fucking rule. OM is solid as fuck and i even somewhat enjoy that Beherit album(i think its their best work). Will need to check out some of those other bands and get back to you.

And i also have a hard time labeling Primordial as black metal, but yea they have some killer albums too.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

Thrash evolved in many ways beyond simply paving the way for extreme metal. Megadeth, Dark Angel, Prong, Coroner, Pantera, Voivod, Anacrusis, Fear of God, Meshuggah, Stone, Nevermore, Depressive Age, Mekong Delta, etc all had plenty to say and do differently from one another. The thrash bands died largely due to lack of label support more than there simply being no further room to push things.

I don't know why you keep shitting on punk music either, which is without a doubt one of the most diverse and creative forms of rock music. Black metal itself was basically predated by hardcore like Charged GBH and post-hardcore/noise rock like Blind Idiot God and Ham. As far as I'm aware, there are still bands pushing the envelopes of punk's many children and grandchildren. Black metal wishes it had anywhere near the breadth of punk music.

Malokarpatan is retro-heavy/speed metal based on their new album, probably 15% black metal at most. Not familiar with that other one, but outside of dissonancecore stuff like DsO (which arguably has more in common with Immolation/Ulcerate/Gorguts than Burzum or Emperor), black metal hasn't shown any musical progression over the last couple decades afaik. All the essential tropes were established in Norway in the early 90s, mostly by just Mayhem themselves. You're right that the sound isn't as pigeonholed, but only because it's black metal fans that do the pigeonholing. Meshuggah writes songs with one riff? Totally not even metal, let alone thrash! Wold writes songs with one riff (or less)? Ambient noise black metal brah.

Yea labels be labels mane.

I wasn't shitting on Punk music btw. I should have been more specific to bands still playing "traditional" punk a la Buzzcocks and stuff. The point I was trying to make was that bitching about how little it has developed defeats the purpose of listening to it in the first place much like a modern thrash record. Obviously I know about the slew of offshoots it spawned.

I don't see how Malokarpatan is still a BM IMO. They just have their ancestry based in bands like Root and Mortuary Drape rather than the Norwegian second wave. Also, just because DsO imported influence from outside BM doesn't mean that they still haven't furthered the genre.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

@Dazed and Brutal i think what you need to do is just admit that you misspoke and confess your love for the superior almighty boner of thrash

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Thanks for proving my point. If you restrict your concept of thrash and punk to Exodus and the Buzzcocks, thrash and punk have no creative potential. If you use an extremely wide net for black metal, it seems to have great creative potential. Got it.

 

[CiG]

Thanks for proving my point. If you restrict your concept of thrash and punk to Exodus and the Buzzcocks, thrash and punk have no creative potential. If you use an extremely wide net for black metal, it seems to have great creative potential. Got it.

Boom. Destroyed everybody in the thread.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

Thanks for proving my point. If you restrict your concept of thrash and punk to Exodus and the Buzzcocks, thrash and punk have no creative potential. If you use an extremely wide net for black metal, it seems to have great creative potential. Got it.

lol well I didn't create the arbitrary boundaries. By your logic I should just call everything Rock'n'Roll.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

@Dazed and Brutal i think what you need to do is just admit that you misspoke and confess your love for the superior almighty boner of thrash

lol I mean if I were to commit, I'd say I like sloppier Thrash bands over BM or Tech Thrash

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

"PREPARE THE LARGE BONER OF THRASH!




... GO, PREPARE AWAY"

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

Cue:

 

[HamburgerBoy]

lol well I didn't create the arbitrary boundaries. By your logic I should just call everything Rock'n'Roll.

By definition, if they're arbitrary and you're using them, you're creating them. If you can't rationalize them, your boundaries are meaningless.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

By definition, if they're arbitrary and you're using them, you're creating them. If you can't rationalize them, your boundaries are meaningless.

Woah. lol but wut bout that collective consciousness brethren

 

[CiG]

Criticising genres based on less than generous interpretations of the genre is bullshit.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

I really wasn't trying to criticize thrash in the first place. If anything I admire the little posturing that happens within its halls.

 

[Mort Divine]

Well that's because Midnight and Chapel arent black metal bands. That being said i dont know why i typed modern in my original post. What i actualy wanted to know were your overall favorite black metal albums.

Inquisition fucking rule. OM is solid as fuck and i even somewhat enjoy that Beherit album(i think its their best work). Will need to check out some of those other bands and get back to you.

And i also have a hard time labeling Primordial as black metal, but yea they have some killer albums too.

favorite BM as a whole is

Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Burzum - HLTO
Darkthrone - A Blaze In The Northern Sky
Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark
Dawn - Naer Solen Gar Niper For Evogher
Enslaved - Vikingligr Veldi
Primordial - Spirit the Earth Aflame
Necromantia - Scarlet Evil Witching Black
Varathron - His Majesty at the Swamp
Necromantia/Varathron - Black Arts Lead to Everlasting Sins
Samael - Worship Him
Summoning - Dol Guldur
Beherit - Engram (I'm actually in agreement with this as their best work, but drawing down the moon is still fucking brilliant)
Negura Bunget - OM
Sorcier Des Glaces - Snowland
Katharsis - VVorld VVithout End

I'm probably forgetting a few and there are others I know would make the list if I listened to more stuff more frequently, but you know can't skip my Queen Carly time

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

speaking of beherit

 

[no country for old wainds]

mort did you listen to sdg-north yet

listen to sdg-north

 

[CiG]

speaking of beherit

Durwing dun de Mern.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

favorite BM as a whole is

Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Burzum - HLTO
Darkthrone - A Blaze In The Northern Sky
Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark
Dawn - Naer Solen Gar Niper For Evogher
Enslaved - Vikingligr Veldi
Primordial - Spirit the Earth Aflame
Necromantia - Scarlet Evil Witching Black
Varathron - His Majesty at the Swamp
Necromantia/Varathron - Black Arts Lead to Everlasting Sins
Samael - Worship Him
Summoning - Dol Guldur
Beherit - Engram (I'm actually in agreement with this as their best work, but drawing down the moon is still fucking brilliant)
Negura Bunget - OM
Sorcier Des Glaces - Snowland
Katharsis - VVorld VVithout End

I'm probably forgetting a few and there are others I know would make the list if I listened to more stuff more frequently, but you know can't skip my Queen Carly time

But you forgot about Dissection

pretty solid list right there. Not love for Ulver or Arckanum?

 

[Mort Divine]

mort did you listen to sdg-north yet

listen to sdg-north

listening to it...

....

...now

also i forgot to add in Absu's Tara, i know its often not their 'darling' album amongst a lot of black metal fans, but its such a great album

also wow i'm loving the opening to north so far, Passage Au-Dela Des Glaciers Noirs is such a perfect intro track