Controversial opinions on metal
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I would love to launch into a stupid, boring, all-ready-been-done debate, but...
...V seems to be getting pissed.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
Don't you have something to be painting?
EDIT: @V
Nah, I don't paint this semester.
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I think Harry Potter does have a point here. Music can be well written and well executed, but you don't have to like it. Not to mention my hatred of these bands again, but that's how I view Led Zeppelin and Dream Theater. The music is well written and well played, but I fucking hate the music.
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
Thoth-Amon
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ooh clever. And for the record, I'm not gay, and could probably get more women than you ever could.
Krigloch the Furious
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I did listen to High on Fire and about laughed. such shit.
I absolutely hate Led Zep. annoying singer, most overrated guitarist, and I just hate it.
Dream Theatre is OK nothing special, I dont hate em.
but fucking Pink Floyd. makes me wanna stab people
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
Your constant harping on people about your superior ability to get women begs the question:
Is it really just your own insecurities speaking?
EDIT: ninja'd by a fatass
Is it really just your own insecurities speaking?
EDIT: ninja'd by a fatass
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i'm just fucking with you dude!! what a reaction!
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Finally someone who agrees with me. Though I don't really have anything against Pink Floyd.
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No. I just mention it in all my retorts against being called "gay." Though I suppose it may not be necessary to elaborate that I'm an active hetero as opposed to passive one (ie a straight guy that gets no chicks) since after all straight is straight.
Mort Divine
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I'm not sure what point you're even trying to make here. It seems as though you disagree with the post I made, but then you concede that "production is a big part of extreme metal". So I really want to know what part of my post you disagree with, because it sounds like you're just trying to push your elitism on me with comments like this. I don't have to be a fucking expert on extreme metal to recognize that things like diversity aren't really a concern for extreme metal bands. Do you really think a band that focuses on production alone has as much creative merit as a band that emphasizes songwriting as well?
Mort Divine
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What? Are you fucking kidding me? How many original non-extreme metal bands are there? Now how many original extreme metal bands are there? Exactly.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
The answer is extremely stupid.
vihris: It's not elitism, it's a simple matter of perspective. You're flat out wrong, to be honest, and it really sounds dumb when you post things like that, because it's offensive to those of us who understand end enjoy the more extreme spectrum of metal. You'll notice that nowhere in my post did I say that metal bands focus 100% on production/atmosphere generated ALL THE TIME, so your last point sounds ignorant right off the bat. You don't have to be an expert, no; but you do have to take the time to appreciate it before making baseless generalizations. You're really just wrong, this is tough to argue because what you're arguing seems intensely nonsensical.
vihris: It's not elitism, it's a simple matter of perspective. You're flat out wrong, to be honest, and it really sounds dumb when you post things like that, because it's offensive to those of us who understand end enjoy the more extreme spectrum of metal. You'll notice that nowhere in my post did I say that metal bands focus 100% on production/atmosphere generated ALL THE TIME, so your last point sounds ignorant right off the bat. You don't have to be an expert, no; but you do have to take the time to appreciate it before making baseless generalizations. You're really just wrong, this is tough to argue because what you're arguing seems intensely nonsensical.
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Okay - I probably shouldn't be talking shit about something I'm not prepared to go into nauseating detail about (which I'm not), but I'm certainly not trying to offend anyone. Obviously, dissecting music and evaluating its creativity is an interest of mine, and it's something I wish more people on the forums were interested in.
I often challenge people to defend their opinions on the creativity/talent of a band/genre (as I've done with you), and I look forward to seeing their defenses. I have no problem with evaluating some of my favorite bands as having little talent (i.e. Electric Wizard, Sleep, Orange Goblin), and I wish people did more of that here, but it seems like nobody here is willing to make that distinction between talent and enjoyability. Usually it's just "this band is good because I like it".
Maybe it's not fair of me to assume other people like to argue this way. Personally, I don't see any point in labeling bands as "good" or "bad" unless you have some reason for it other than how much you like them. But I guess I'll just have to accept that most people prefer not to criticise the music they like.
As far as our particular argument goes, I'm by no means convinced that I'm wrong, and I don't think you're entitled to call me "ignorant" and "nonsensical" if you're not going to elaborate on your points at all. I did not directly try to offend you with my comments on extreme metal, so I don't appreciate your personal attacks.
If you want to see a more coherent argument of mine on this topic, read this post. To my knowledge, that argument has never been dealt any serious blows by anyone here, so I'm hoping to get some feedback on it before typing up an entirely new one. I'm not sure if you actually want to continue with this, but if you do, let's take it from there.
Again, I'm not trying to offend anyone by criticising extreme metal. I don't mind hearing criticisms of music I like, as long as there's some reasoning behind it. And it's not like I'm trolling or anything, since this is the "controversial opinions on metal" thread after all. If you don't want to debate this, then let's agree to disagree.
I often challenge people to defend their opinions on the creativity/talent of a band/genre (as I've done with you), and I look forward to seeing their defenses. I have no problem with evaluating some of my favorite bands as having little talent (i.e. Electric Wizard, Sleep, Orange Goblin), and I wish people did more of that here, but it seems like nobody here is willing to make that distinction between talent and enjoyability. Usually it's just "this band is good because I like it".
Maybe it's not fair of me to assume other people like to argue this way. Personally, I don't see any point in labeling bands as "good" or "bad" unless you have some reason for it other than how much you like them. But I guess I'll just have to accept that most people prefer not to criticise the music they like.
As far as our particular argument goes, I'm by no means convinced that I'm wrong, and I don't think you're entitled to call me "ignorant" and "nonsensical" if you're not going to elaborate on your points at all. I did not directly try to offend you with my comments on extreme metal, so I don't appreciate your personal attacks.
If you want to see a more coherent argument of mine on this topic, read this post. To my knowledge, that argument has never been dealt any serious blows by anyone here, so I'm hoping to get some feedback on it before typing up an entirely new one. I'm not sure if you actually want to continue with this, but if you do, let's take it from there.
Again, I'm not trying to offend anyone by criticising extreme metal. I don't mind hearing criticisms of music I like, as long as there's some reasoning behind it. And it's not like I'm trolling or anything, since this is the "controversial opinions on metal" thread after all. If you don't want to debate this, then let's agree to disagree.
Satanstoenail
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Vihris: Go and listen to Pestilence - Testimony of the Ancients right now, then re-think your argument. There is much DM that is a hell of a lot more musical than you're making it out to be.
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