Controversial opinions on metal
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Edit: Also, I fail to see how they have the most crappy albums ever recorded from "Stockholm".
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well yeah so do i but it's a long time since i've seen such an unflinching falconsbane acolyte. i can not take that shit seriously anymore.
btw people who don't like far away from the sun, at least from track 5 through 7, are just the worst and their every comment about music is totally void.
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I find FAFTS a bit too suffocating and single-minded some of the time; it's certainly mood music, though. Similar to other like bands...Dawn comes to mind especially.
Mort Divine
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Single-minded?
Suffocating I can understand because it is somewhat dense at times, but single minded is just about the last way I'd describe it.
What do you think of Vinterland or Taake's Nattestid Ser Porten Vid?
Suffocating I can understand because it is somewhat dense at times, but single minded is just about the last way I'd describe it.
What do you think of Vinterland or Taake's Nattestid Ser Porten Vid?
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I mean single-minded as in it seems a lot of the time like it is just going straight towards a goal, though there are moments of introspection which are strong. It seems a bit too headstrong or something, it's tough to put into words.
I'm a fan of Welcome My Last Chapter by Vinterland.
I'm a fan of Welcome My Last Chapter by Vinterland.
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It's not. I doubt he's delved that deep into swe-dm anyway if he's making such silly comments.
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Yeah, I think they're overrated but certainly not even close to the worst Sweden has to offer.
JGMetalhead
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'Falconsbane acolyte'? I seriously have no idea what you are talking about.
The title track recently became a favourite of mine aswell as Beyond All Horizons and track 5 was the first I heard from the album so will always be a favourite. For some reason I have never got into The Vision and the Voice quite as much as the rest of the album.
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Dark Recollections > Like an Ever Flowing Stream
The first 2 Dark Tranquillity albums are actually really good Melodic Death/Melodeath.
The first 3 Opeth are good, Morningrise and My Arms, Your Hearse being my favourites. Anything after that has its moments but is mostly meh.
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OK, I will concede I like DR sliiiiightly more than LAEFS.
And I agree for the most part with Skydancer >>>>>>>> The Gallery.
And I agree for the most part with Skydancer >>>>>>>> The Gallery.
VelociBrad
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I can agree with the Opeth statement, I don't necessarily agree with the DR > LAEFS thing but I can totally see where you're coming from.
Gothenburg for the most part is as bad as metalcore to me, I'd rather it just be purged from existence and never spoken of again.
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skydancer is solid, the rest sucks to varying degrees.
i feel blackwater park gets bad rep from this anti-bandwagon 'well actually i mildly enjoy opeth despite their obvious and crippling flaws' thing that a lot of people seem to be feelin' these days. i mean it has some shit on it like funeral portrait, but if my arms your hearse is a good album then so is blackwater park. it's just as ghostly, just in a different way, it's more like a misty haze to me. i think people are put off by the prog associations but, man, i probably hate fucking prog more than anyone here.
i think i sort of know what you're trying to say about fafts andy, i sort of agree and disagree at the same time. give it more listens but don't let it lose you before you reach 5-7, which i think probably serve as the catalyst for appreciating the rest more, as well as being the best songs on there anyway. i think fafts builds into that 'introspection', which i tend to describe as a sense that the sun is going down from the world for the last time - a feeling that everything is coming to a close. but i also think that's kind of reductive. i think it's the most paradoxical BM album ever recorded even above HLTO; you can't call it melancholy because it's also absolutely ecstatic, you can't call it peaceful and tranquil because it jumps about frantically, you can't call it a journey nor a single-minded pursuit of a goal because it also seems to utterly suspend time, you can't say it's nostalgic because that sunset feeling is very much facing the future - every way of describing the album seems to be no more true than its opposite. it's shooting stars across a night sky, dark as pitch and blinding bright.
i also think that this intertwining of opposites is what pretty much all metal has strived for since day one, whether it's the mingling of horror with awe/wonder, harsh reality with fantasy/dreams, chaos with order, darkness with light etcetc. all art probably does this actually but i don't want to expand the sphere of this discussion really. i suppose what i'm saying is i don't understand why anyone who loves black metal wouldn't love FAFTS as they seem to me a distillation, a perfecting, of much of what BM has always wanted to be. certainly what bands like vinterland wanted to be with WMLC, a great, tasteful, evocative album which is nonetheless dwarfed by sacramentum's shadow. obviously this is all just subjective opinion and interpretation etc but i like to think reading this might inspire some people to give it more tries with as open a mind as possible. anyway ramble over.
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i feel blackwater park gets bad rep from this anti-bandwagon 'well actually i mildly enjoy opeth despite their obvious and crippling flaws' thing that a lot of people seem to be feelin' these days. i mean it has some shit on it like funeral portrait, but if my arms your hearse is a good album then so is blackwater park. it's just as ghostly, just in a different way, it's more like a misty haze to me. i think people are put off by the prog associations but, man, i probably hate fucking prog more than anyone here.
i think i sort of know what you're trying to say about fafts andy, i sort of agree and disagree at the same time. give it more listens but don't let it lose you before you reach 5-7, which i think probably serve as the catalyst for appreciating the rest more, as well as being the best songs on there anyway. i think fafts builds into that 'introspection', which i tend to describe as a sense that the sun is going down from the world for the last time - a feeling that everything is coming to a close. but i also think that's kind of reductive. i think it's the most paradoxical BM album ever recorded even above HLTO; you can't call it melancholy because it's also absolutely ecstatic, you can't call it peaceful and tranquil because it jumps about frantically, you can't call it a journey nor a single-minded pursuit of a goal because it also seems to utterly suspend time, you can't say it's nostalgic because that sunset feeling is very much facing the future - every way of describing the album seems to be no more true than its opposite. it's shooting stars across a night sky, dark as pitch and blinding bright.
i also think that this intertwining of opposites is what pretty much all metal has strived for since day one, whether it's the mingling of horror with awe/wonder, harsh reality with fantasy/dreams, chaos with order, darkness with light etcetc. all art probably does this actually but i don't want to expand the sphere of this discussion really. i suppose what i'm saying is i don't understand why anyone who loves black metal wouldn't love FAFTS as they seem to me a distillation, a perfecting, of much of what BM has always wanted to be. certainly what bands like vinterland wanted to be with WMLC, a great, tasteful, evocative album which is nonetheless dwarfed by sacramentum's shadow. obviously this is all just subjective opinion and interpretation etc but i like to think reading this might inspire some people to give it more tries with as open a mind as possible. anyway ramble over.
A voice from the past will follow me until the day I die
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