Einherjar86
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Absolute poverty in the most extreme sense doesn't exist because humans (and animals) engage in action to procure what is needed at a minimal level. But it's a fixed baseline for measurement. Means, medians, and outliers (statistical points for assessing relative wealth and poverty) are useless without a fixed scale to refer to for context. There is a logical and practical reason for the reference.
But humans and animals have access to resources before they're even born.
It sounds to me like absolute poverty is a purely abstract notion (something you do allude to) that would be properly represented by a human body floating in a vacuum. This might be an imaginable scenario, but it strikes me as virtually nonexistent.
A reimagination that doesn't take into account biology or monetary systems and theory is probably missing a significant majority of the relative picture. Bastiat talks about "That which is seen, and that which is not seen" http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html . Missing that which is not seen is a common although absolutely understandable error for non-economists (although unfortunately common for economists as well). Greif is missing that which is seen.
How so? He's simply placing greater emphasis on something else.
The effect of material conditions on social station is absolutely "seen." Or, it's at least as seen as the correlation between IQ and social station.
I understand it is not the nature of poets and other non-scientific writers to concern themselves with details in scientific fields (even if they broach into "soft science"), but then again they need to understand not being considered seriously on scientific matters by those in respective fields.
I think that Greif would be taken seriously by scientists interested in thought experiments.