UtopianCrux
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- May 26, 2010
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Dar Future breed machine...
- Thread starter Ola Englund
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storming heaven
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drew_drummer
Dancefap
The loadbox is the one that interests me the most. The amp sounds really nasally to me. I'm sure it's just the way they're dialing it in, but its quite 1 dimensional.
StefTD
Member
the sound isn't my cup of tea from what I've heard, but it would be awesome to try one
of these amps, and besides the part, that I am not really digging the sounds I heard from
DAR Amps, I really like the ideas they have.
The loadbox reminds me of a better and cheaper version of the Two Notes Torpedo thing.
The Preamp is a cool idea, too, if they could build a bit narrower than 19", 18,5" or so, it
would be pretty cool because you can just use it on the floor if you want to or you can
put it in a rack.
of these amps, and besides the part, that I am not really digging the sounds I heard from
DAR Amps, I really like the ideas they have.
The loadbox reminds me of a better and cheaper version of the Two Notes Torpedo thing.
The Preamp is a cool idea, too, if they could build a bit narrower than 19", 18,5" or so, it
would be pretty cool because you can just use it on the floor if you want to or you can
put it in a rack.
Awesome, exactly the material I was looking for.. a load box with IR at lower price than a torpedo.. the preamp pedal with reamping possibility seems really good too.. for the amp, I really like Meshuga tone, but not for my playing.. I prefer the Ola's feared tone if you see what I mean, so let's see.. I would enjoy to try all of it^^
Sacha
Throbbing Member
I heard the Forza at NAMM and it sounded REALLY good from what I could tell. Much better actually then most of the clips i've heard thus far. Quite dry, tight, percussive and in your face grindy midrange, definitely up my alley tonally.
Fifth_Horseman
Watch out, it's sharp!
Very interested in the Jocke box, or even the Loaded Jocke box... sounds like the best thing ever for latency free monitoring when recording guitars at home!
Josh Burgess
Member
Kinda pricey for what it is though... That $900 could easily go towards a new PC which wouldn't give you any noticeable latency problems...
midget donkeys
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I find the IR player very interesting, and really really expensive. As for the amps I agree with the poster that said earlier that Ola's tone was the best in the video by far. The rest of the tones sounded completely to harsh to me for an amp that costs as much as five months worth of my houses mortgage payments.
MarkG
Member
SwambA
Processed Chicken
I love the tone!! Very interested to hear what the 10,000 point custom impulse responses sound like. So versatile!
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
Curious to hear 10,000 point IR's, as well.
I like how the loadbox in the Jocke box adds 300, when a separate load box would cost 150-200 (or can be built on your own for $30).
I like how the loadbox in the Jocke box adds 300, when a separate load box would cost 150-200 (or can be built on your own for $30).
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
^^Exactly - I have 2x16ohm 100w resistors wired up in a parts box with a PC fan going over them, cost ~$45 to build a few years back and does the job just fine.
DAR Amps
New Metal Member
Guys,
10,000 point IR's really shine in the lows. Helps substantially with the feel/tone of a cab resonance/decay.
In a simple sense, think of each point as a slider on a super massive EQ. We got 10K sliders per channel, so divide the sampling rate of your system by the points and this is the bandwidth of each point/slider.
For ex. a 1024 point IR sampled at 48khz results in a slider (if distributed linearly) of ~47 hz wide per point. This is all fine and dandy in for your mids and hi's, but just awful in the bass spectrum. Think of how each cab has it's own resonance and feel, often just a few hz difference in the resonance of a cab results in a HUGELY different tone. Also for bass cabs, or ported cabs, the low frequency impedance and resonant properties often have narrow bands and or multiple LF resonant bands. ....look you just need lots of sliders for that djenty tone. In the same example, our products would have a slider at every 4.8hz. Now, that's a 10 fold improvement in Low Frequency Resolution.
Jeff, you're totally right, resistors only cost pennies, and big ones no more than a coffee, but once the entire network is complete (heatsinks, thermal fan control network, interface to DSP / CODEC, etc... ) It adds up. Trust me, I love to sell stuff as cheap as possible. You're local to me, and would not mind having you try one out on my next trip down south.
These products all feature the newest and fastest DSP's developed for consumer applications. In fact, the DSP in the Jocke Box is considerably faster than the CPU in the year old computer I am writing this response on.
10,000 point IR's really shine in the lows. Helps substantially with the feel/tone of a cab resonance/decay.
In a simple sense, think of each point as a slider on a super massive EQ. We got 10K sliders per channel, so divide the sampling rate of your system by the points and this is the bandwidth of each point/slider.
For ex. a 1024 point IR sampled at 48khz results in a slider (if distributed linearly) of ~47 hz wide per point. This is all fine and dandy in for your mids and hi's, but just awful in the bass spectrum. Think of how each cab has it's own resonance and feel, often just a few hz difference in the resonance of a cab results in a HUGELY different tone. Also for bass cabs, or ported cabs, the low frequency impedance and resonant properties often have narrow bands and or multiple LF resonant bands. ....look you just need lots of sliders for that djenty tone. In the same example, our products would have a slider at every 4.8hz. Now, that's a 10 fold improvement in Low Frequency Resolution.
Jeff, you're totally right, resistors only cost pennies, and big ones no more than a coffee, but once the entire network is complete (heatsinks, thermal fan control network, interface to DSP / CODEC, etc... ) It adds up. Trust me, I love to sell stuff as cheap as possible. You're local to me, and would not mind having you try one out on my next trip down south.
These products all feature the newest and fastest DSP's developed for consumer applications. In fact, the DSP in the Jocke Box is considerably faster than the CPU in the year old computer I am writing this response on.
Ermz
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Someone give Ryan two 57s, find his old V30 and teach him how to make these 10,000 point IRs, I'm ready to give up on cabs forever!
Also would love to see what this is all about:
Are we talking multiple 10,000 point IRs representing the same cab, each in successive 'velocity layers', so to speak?
Also would love to see what this is all about:
Are we talking multiple 10,000 point IRs representing the same cab, each in successive 'velocity layers', so to speak?
DAR Amps
New Metal Member
Ermz
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When you say 'really cool', do you by chance mean 'entirely indistinguishable from the real thing in a blind test'? 
