Do you think we're forever?
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Maqus
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Dora said:
I've never understood this sentence. These apocryphal texts just can't be interpreted rightly, for example it's not even in the Koran that women should veil their heads.
Its misinterpreted very often, especially in Hungary, where they used to tell it about people who are ignorant, selfish, having no sympathy, etc.Maqus said:
I wrote it here cos I think it can describe the thing I wrote above, meaning that if someone is poor in soul, have lost all desires, and became empty, then enters heaven (nirvana).
Originally, I think it speaks about being simple, and others say its about being poor in false beliefs like pride, self-assurance, conceit, believing in ones wealth, power and that, so its when you have nothing to hold on to - then you can be happy cos you will be easily converted to Christianity.
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I agree with most of your comments, but the Bhagavad Gita (the "jewel" of India's spiritual wisdom) is all about Self-realization and contains many do's and don'ts about how to obtain it. Imo, this can be taken as a moral, like some of the ten commandments.Dora said:AFAIK in (some) Buddhist religions karma and this betterment to nirvana thing is not a moral question and has nothing to do with Good or Bad. Its how things work. Karma is a kind of desire, a drive - a set of wishes that makes one piece of the Spirit be an individual soul, a john doe or whoever. Hence its the Ego that wants or "must" do and fulfil these, and Nirvana is (imho) the spirit itself, when the soul is freed from this karmic shit again. And the mind works in a way that bad feelings and thoughts are made by opposing and struggling them, fear and sorrow and all these only last as long as one fights them in a knotty way - same applies to headaches. Thats why some meditation practices are for learning how to let things go and let it flow normally, like stopping the storm, the big waves of the mind, and as you stop stirring it up, it will calm down to be a smooth, waveless see.
So in this sense, karma is like an itching that wont let ppl to rest. And if someone kills a man (which needs quite a lot of ego-istic forces, drives, hatred...), besides that its not good, it will upset his soul so much it will prey on his mind for yearhundreds.. So its mainly impractical. Thats why you can either fulfil your karma (if it can end that way, like, you feel you need to be a doctor, so be it), or learn to get rid of it some other way.
(i hope some part of my text is written in english)
Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 3, Verse 19: "Therefore, without being attached to the fruits of activities, one should act as a matter of duty; for by working without attachment, one attains the Supreme."
Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 3, Verse 25: "As the ignorant perform their duties with attachment to results, similarly the learned may also act, but without attachment, for the sake of leading people on the right path."
Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 3, Verse 29: "Bewildered by the modes of material nature, the ignorant fully engage themselves in material activities and become attached. But the wise should not unsettle them, although these duties are inferior due to the performers' lack of knowledge."
Strangelight
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Strangelight
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Jesus knew the score, I've no time for them false prophets chanting their mumbo jumbo. There nowt wrong with a good old hymn and a glug of wine.
nomana-nuniyan
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Strangelight said:
Fuckin' A, look at this -- Duncan trying to teach Magus sumthin'. ooh!
He's gonna learn ya Magus!
Strangelight
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ah thems Maggys words themnomana-nuniyan said:Fuckin' A, look at this -- Duncan trying to teach Magus sumthin'. ooh!
He's gonna learn ya Magus!
nomana-nuniyan
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Maqus
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They're not mine, but HE interprets my words that way, cause it doesn't matter what the writer meant, it's how YOU interpret it that matters.
nomana-nuniyan
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I pretty much interpret everything you say as if you're a gerbil running on a gerbil wheel, and most of what other people say as the gerbil running on the wheel repeatedly falling through the spokes and trapping themselves.
Maqus
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