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All of this information is published in peer-reviewed journals and you can go find it if the fancy strikes you. It's perfectly responsible for me and anyone else to discuss whatever we want as long as we aren't advocating use (which I wasn't in any way, shape or form). I'm already well-aquainted with your stance on drugs, as you are with mine, so let's not continue this.
 
grazim said:
All of this information is published in peer-reviewed journals and you can go find it if the fancy strikes you. It's perfectly responsible for me and anyone else to discuss whatever we want as long as we aren't advocating use (which I wasn't in any way, shape or form). I'm already well-aquainted with your stance on drugs, as you are with mine, so let's not continue this.
thats cool man. i dont have any problem with your stance on drugs. like i said, no harm intended. i just find it hard to believe there exists legitimate research on LSD and other illegal drugs. drug research costs alot of money and if theres no potential for returns on that investment, few researchers will even bother. academia might though. is that where youre getting your info?

i know you werent advocating use in your post, i didnt mean to imply that. 99% of the time here though, it's all about advocation and it's backed up by "research".
 
Night Mare said:
Typical Sammich:

Toasted, buttered on the outside, containing:
One layer cheese
Bacon
Diced Garlic
Chilli
Pepper
Middle Eastern Herbs
Lime
Chicken (if lucky)
More cheese

Toast, drool, enjoy.
what, no mayo? :p

that looks tasty but seriously, mayo is crucial
 
It is true that it is somewhat hard to find completly unbiased research on psychoactive chemicals, however this is true for a variety of subjects as well. Well established medical journals, privately funded reasearch, etc. are usually the best places to start. I think however you might be underestimating the amount of funding, both private and govt., that is put into chemical research. The fact is when people like Grazim, Max and I are posting this information, we're generally not citing things from www.weedisgoodforyouandcurescancerandmakesyourich.com
 
haha awesome website!
i used to take drugs. it wasnt fun. not everybody likes them i guess.
 
En Vind Av Sorg said:
I think however you might be underestimating the amount of funding, both private and govt., that is put into chemical research.
perhaps. i was just speculating. doesnt seem logical though. i have noticed though that the only research you advocates post is always positive for your stance. seems like you find incredibly biased stuff on the internet and subscribe to it. maybe im wrong though. its not that important.
 
You are so damn passive agressive :p
Its okay though were just bickering about our different view points and its the internet. As far as the conclusions of the research that we usually post, well yes it generally does support out opinions. I mean, that is the general intent with posting the articles is to support our opinion. If we were to open up some type of large scale conversation concerning drugs it wouldnt be hard to provide boatloads of information for and against drug use.
 
En Vind Av Sorg said:
I mean, that is the general intent with posting the articles is to support our opinion.
im gonna have to think about this awhile :p
 


Krokodil, a flesh-eating drug which first surfaced in Russia more than a decade ago, has reportedly been found in the United States.

Similar to morphine or heroin, krokodil is made by mixing codeine with substances like gasoline, paint thinner, oil or alcohol. That mixture is then injected into a vein, potentially causing an addict's skin to turn greenish, scaly and eventually rot away.

Dr. Frank LoVecchio, co-medical director at Banner Good Samaritan Poison and Drug Information Center in Arizona, told CBS5 that the first two cases of people using the drug have been reported in the state. He declined to comment on the patients' conditions.

"As far as I know, these are the first cases in the United States that are reported," LoVecchio said, adding that the cases are believed to be linked. "So we're extremely frightened."

Users of krokodil — or desomorphine — had previously only been found in large numbers in Russia, where 65 million doses of the opiate were seized during the first three months of 2011, Russia's Federal Drug Control Service told Time.

"This is really frightening," Dr. Aaron Skolnik, a toxicologist at Banner Good Samaritan Poison and Drug Information Center told MyFoxPhoenix.com. "This is something we hoped would never make it to the U.S. because it's so detrimental to the people who use it."

To produce the potentially deadly drug, which has a comparable effect to heroin but is much cheaper to make, users mix codeine with gasoline, paint thinner, iodine, hydrochloric acid and red phosphorous. Codeine, a controlled substance in the United States used to treat mild to moderate pain, is widely available over the counter in Russia.

In 2010, up to a million people, according to various estimates, were injecting the resulting substance into their veins in Russia, thus far the only country worldwide to see it grow into an epidemic, Time reports.

The drug's sinister moniker — also known as crocodile — refers to the greenish and scaly appearance of a user's skin at the site of injection as blood vessels rupture and cause surrounding tissues to die. According to reports, the drug first appeared in Siberia and parts of Russia around 2002, but has spread throughout the country in recent years.

Officials at the Washington-based National Institute on Drug Abuse told FoxNews.com in 2011 that they had not heard of the drug prior to an inquiry by FoxNews.com.

Dr. Ellen Marmur, chief of dermatological and cosmetic surgery at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City, told FoxNews.com in 2011 she had never seen any cases involving krokodil, but said it reminded her of "skin popping," or when intravenous drug users inject a substance directly into their skin due to damaged veins.

"This looks to me a lot like skin popping, what drug users used to do back in the day with heroin and other drugs," Marmur said. "It just kills the skin, that's what you're seeing, big dead pieces of skin."

Those large pieces of dead skin are referred to as eschars, Marmur said, leaving the user prone to infection, amputation and other complications.

Marmur said at the time that she was concerned the drug could eventually make its way into the United States.

"It's horrible," she continued. "These people are the ultimate in self-destructive drug addiction. Once you're an addict at this level, any rational thinking doesn't apply."

Dr. Lewis Nelson, a medical toxicologist at Bellevue Hospital Center in New York, also said in 2011 that he doubted krokodil would reach the United States due to the availability of other cheap, powerful drugs such as black tar heroin and Oxycontin.

"It's not going to become a club drug, I can guarantee you that," he said.

 
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Marijuana and caffeine are awesome. Some day I will try mushrooms, but it hasn't happened yet. I never did acid but was always curious. I was told by a few specific confidants that someone with my personality/brain/whatever should absolutely NOT engage in lysergic acid diethylamide, so for once I listened. I love alcohol the best but the side effects make me drink less and less with each passing year. Booze is a pleasure but that shit is absolutely ruinous, to pretend otherwise is foolish. Fuck anything and everything about meth. And that is my current stance on drugs.
 

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