Evolution vs. Creation: The Cosmological Argument

[PlatypusJesus]

"and yet there's that large percentage that will do nothing but accept it all word for word without thinking"
Hmm....I wonder why? Well, maybe it is because most humans are foolish. Well, no, it is not just that. Actually, I believe that it is because it is much easier to explain any occurrence with magic, and since humans are by nature lazy, of course most will go with that route. Of course, there are many many many reasons as to why so many people take the bible literally. For example, they are afraid that if they do not, they shall burn in hell for all of eternity.

 

[PlatypusJesus]

Oh, and if the bible turns out to be true, then bring hell on, because I would rather suffer for all of eternity than worship a tyrant.

 

[Ihreil Junkenstein]

Fezzilla this is a music board not a religous discussion group. You want to sing songs and light candles go to church and leave us out of it.

 

[speed]

Ledmag I couldnt agree more- and you gave me another idea- there are many valid scientific- philosophical- rational- even political( as in religion and christianities distortion by so many countries as a political act) arguments against the existance of God. Yet, there is only one argument for god, and that is faith- and let me tell you faith just wont cut it anymore- we dont live in the dark ages anymore- even the common people have started seeing the many problems and inconsistancies of religion- 2,000 year old fairy tales dont do it anymore.

I dont see the fault with posting a religious question on a music board- especially with the many times religious lyrics of Mr. Dane.

 

[ThePhilosopher]

My theory is this...

Human beings were never meant to develop conclusive answers as to the origin of the universe, and we most likely never will.

 

[PlatypusJesus]

It is because we are incapable of understanding the origin of the universe.

 

[Iris]

It is because we are incapable of understanding the origin of the universe.

It's because understanding is our worst enemy.
It makes us think, and wonder..and we go in circles aaaaalllll the way, and around and around..
this particular question can't give you an answer because it's nothing, it beyond within, those are non-existing fables... we are the nothing.

 

[PlatypusJesus]

No, it IS because we as humans are incapable of understanding the origins of the universe. It is simply beyond our understanding. We try to invent religions and theories to explain it, but they are all flawed. Hell, we don't even know how our own planet was formed, so how are we supposed to know how the universe was formed. You really should cut down on Nevermore just a little bit Iris, it sounds like you are in some weird Warrel Dane cult.

 

[Chromatose]

actually there's explanations of the planet's formation that seem very plausible.. and is likely how it really was formed... but as much as we speculate, we'll never have 100% proof, because we weren't there

though .. we CAN see the formation of other planets, and galaxies, and things currently in existence elsewhere, and through this can come to more concrete realizations via comparison
and thats why NOT the universe, because the model isn't there to be seen
so its not beyond our 'understanding' , per say, in the sense of coming to a reasonable answer, within our own limits, its just beyond our abilty to come to conclusions of definite proof, and then there's always the existence of doubt, which then sprouts all the alternate explanations (gods/religion, etc) .. the true understanding does lie beyond our limits, and likely always will

 

[PlatypusJesus]

"actually there's explanations of the planet's formation that seem very plausible.. and is likely how it really was formed... but as much as we speculate, we'll never have 100% proof, because we weren't there"
Yeah, I was just saying that there is not one exact explanation, but I think that you got that.
"though .. we CAN see the formation of other planets, and galaxies, and things currently in existence elsewhere, and through this can come to more concrete realizations via comparison
and thats why NOT the universe, because the model isn't there to be seen
so its not beyond our 'understanding' , per say, in the sense of coming to a reasonable answer, within our own limits, its just beyond our abilty to come to conclusions of definite proof, and then there's always the existence of doubt, which then sprouts all the alternate explanations (gods/religion, etc) .. the true understanding does lie beyond our limits, and likely always will"
Exactly, so it is beyond our understanding. I mean, to actually be able to understand the beginning of the universe, wow, I can't even imagine it. I cannot think of one logical situation in which time began. Hell, aliens from another universe could've created this universe, but what created them? That question is what makes it beyond our understanding. A human cannot simply believe that something is just there, we believe that an event had to occur to place it there or something had to place it there. Therefor, by trying to come up with an explanation of how time and space began, we shall just continue to move further back in time, continously, and probably, forever, and therefor, it is beyond our understanding because we shall never know the very beginning.

 

[Chromatose]

yup, which makes it fun to think about , because you can keep going until your brain explodes and never be any closer to knowing


but in the process you'll come across so much more. ever widening horizons

 

[PlatypusJesus]

Yep, and that is why I am always thinking. I know the joys that it brings.

 

[Captain Beard]

"Knowing" some things is impossible, like you both pointed out, and I can live with that. But understanding them enough to get a reasonable idea of how they work is the reason science prospers, and why I like it so much.

 

[PlatypusJesus]

Ok, I'm just suggesting that you might want to get help. But seriously, I knew what you were saying, I was just joking.

 

[Chuut-Riit]

@bible-stuff: Of course the bible is to be taken symbolically and metaphorically. And, what can bring quite interesting results, is archetype-based deep-psychologist interpretation of bible passages, such as the water walk. But who am I to tell this stuff, for I do not have sufficient information - just wanted to have this said. I am Fideist, that means I think of a supreme being as possible, but do not know how it is like. Short: A Believer with agnostic influence...

 

[Iris]

Ok, I'm just suggesting that you might want to get help. But seriously, I knew what you were saying, I was just joking.

Ofcourse i need help, duh.

 

[Unregistered]

Your faith is not based on fact, but rather fear of death.

 

[Chuut-Riit]

Killer argument

 

[Iris]

hmm, you might be right..
Afterall, my fear of death IS based on facts.
Death already knocked on my door, twice...

-x-
Iris

 

[ledmag]

SPEED>>>well said.