Evolution vs. Creation: The Cosmological Argument
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neal
wizard in black
Iris, i'll give you some cookies. i manage a friggin cookie warehouse. ill give you more cookies than you could eat.
-neal
-neal
PlatypusJesus
A Dead Sun Serenity
neal
wizard in black
well the main company (Mothers) i know isnt sold in europe, but we also cary a brand called LU which im sure you've seen, as they are made in france and belgum.
-neal
-neal
PlatypusJesus
A Dead Sun Serenity
neal
wizard in black
PlatypusJesus
A Dead Sun Serenity
Lies and Perfidy
Gentleman of the Road
I could dig some of those cookies...as it stands, here, Iris, have some mint Milanos. I can't eat any more...my friends & I bought like four packs.
neal
wizard in black
PlatypusJesus
A Dead Sun Serenity
"well the main company (Mothers) i know isnt sold in europe, but we also cary a brand called LU which im sure you've seen, as they are made in france and belgum.
-neal"
The question is: are they sold in The Abyss?
-neal"
The question is: are they sold in The Abyss?
Lies and Perfidy
Gentleman of the Road
"In the underworld, a great ox is only three pence."
-Greek aphorism
Meaning: Things are very cheap in hell.
-Greek aphorism
Meaning: Things are very cheap in hell.
neal
wizard in black
why pay for anything in hell? just steal it. its not like you're going to go to hell for it, you're already there!
-neal
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PlatypusJesus
A Dead Sun Serenity
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I'm sure you realize for stealing I'd send you to work as an orderly at an Old Folks home. And all the old folks are conservative christians. Thats why no one steals here.
Nevermorian
#1 Backstreet Boys Fan
If god is almighty, he is able to do anything he wishes.
If he creates a perfect copy of himself, this copy would be almighty, too.
But; How can this copy be almighty? There can be only one almighty being, otherwise it would not be almighty anymore.
So if he can create a copy of himself, he cannot be almighty. If he cannot copy himself, he cannot be almighty either.
So there is nothing to be almighty.
P.S.: Thanks for the UFO theory, that was funny
If he creates a perfect copy of himself, this copy would be almighty, too.
But; How can this copy be almighty? There can be only one almighty being, otherwise it would not be almighty anymore.
So if he can create a copy of himself, he cannot be almighty. If he cannot copy himself, he cannot be almighty either.
So there is nothing to be almighty.
P.S.: Thanks for the UFO theory, that was funny
neal
wizard in black
i am chock-full of great philosophical points, my friend.Lord of Metal said:neal brings up a great philosophical point.
-neal
Chuut-Riit
Son of German Quarkness
I would like to take sides in this funny but retarded Thread, but I do not have sufficient Arguments and Discussion skills. Too bad, but please continues this, it entertaind me 
Ok, since we're bringing up beliefs and god..
Here's a poem i wrote some time ago.
Once i asked: "Why do only the good ones die?"
and the answer that was given me
could be truth, instead of a lie
Why do only the good ones die?
Are fools the only ones who keep on trying to fly?
For you and i know
the truth, always hides in lies
and when there's something to believe in
it needs to stay,
because lonelyness is consuming
all the beauty in the garden of grey
This is why,
the truth always hides in lies
'cause god is a one, too..
maybe now you know,
why only a good one dies
'cause even god, is an egoïst sometimes.....
-x-
Iris
Here's a poem i wrote some time ago.
Once i asked: "Why do only the good ones die?"
and the answer that was given me
could be truth, instead of a lie
Why do only the good ones die?
Are fools the only ones who keep on trying to fly?
For you and i know
the truth, always hides in lies
and when there's something to believe in
it needs to stay,
because lonelyness is consuming
all the beauty in the garden of grey
This is why,
the truth always hides in lies
'cause god is a one, too..
maybe now you know,
why only a good one dies
'cause even god, is an egoïst sometimes.....
-x-
Iris
BROTHERS AND SISTERS, LET US NOT BICKER OVER WHAT WE CANNOT CONTROL. EVERYTHING STARTED AT SOME POINT, OR RATHER, WHATEVER WAS FIRST HAS NO BEGINNING, WHETHER GOD OR MATTER. BUT CONSIDER THIS. IF GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE, WHAT DID HE MAKE IT OUT OF IF HE WAS THE ONLY THING IN EXISTENCE? WE ALL HAVE A COMMON ORIGIN ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT. SO LET US NOT FIGHT, BUT REJOICE!
The evidence for the Big Bang comes from many pieces of observational data that are consistent with the Big Bang. None of these prove the Big Bang, since scientific theories are not proven. Many of these facts are consistent with the Big Bang and some other cosmological models, but taken together these observations show that the Big Bang is the best current model for the Universe. These observations include:
The darkness of the night sky - Olbers' paradox.
The Hubble Law - the linear distance vs redshift law. The data are now very good.
Homogeneity - fair data showing that our location in the Universe is not special.
Isotropy - very strong data showing that the sky looks the same in all directions to 1 part in 100,000.
Time dilation in supernova light curves.
The observations listed above are consistent with the Big Bang or with the Steady State model, but many observations support the Big Bang over the Steady State:
Radio source and quasar counts vs. flux. These show that the Universe has evolved.
Existence of the blackbody CMB. This shows that the Universe has evolved from a dense, isothermal state.
Variation of TCMB with redshift. This is a direct observation of the evolution of the Universe.
Deuterium, 3He, 4He, and 7Li abundances. These light isotopes are all well fit by predicted reactions occurring in the First Three Minutes.
Finally, the angular power spectrum of the CMB anisotropy that does exist at the several parts per million level is consistent with a dark matter dominated Big Bang model that went through the inflationary scenario.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.
And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning-the second day.
And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the third day.
And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the fourth day.
And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day.
And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day.
The evidence for the Big Bang comes from many pieces of observational data that are consistent with the Big Bang. None of these prove the Big Bang, since scientific theories are not proven. Many of these facts are consistent with the Big Bang and some other cosmological models, but taken together these observations show that the Big Bang is the best current model for the Universe. These observations include:
The darkness of the night sky - Olbers' paradox.
The Hubble Law - the linear distance vs redshift law. The data are now very good.
Homogeneity - fair data showing that our location in the Universe is not special.
Isotropy - very strong data showing that the sky looks the same in all directions to 1 part in 100,000.
Time dilation in supernova light curves.
The observations listed above are consistent with the Big Bang or with the Steady State model, but many observations support the Big Bang over the Steady State:
Radio source and quasar counts vs. flux. These show that the Universe has evolved.
Existence of the blackbody CMB. This shows that the Universe has evolved from a dense, isothermal state.
Variation of TCMB with redshift. This is a direct observation of the evolution of the Universe.
Deuterium, 3He, 4He, and 7Li abundances. These light isotopes are all well fit by predicted reactions occurring in the First Three Minutes.
Finally, the angular power spectrum of the CMB anisotropy that does exist at the several parts per million level is consistent with a dark matter dominated Big Bang model that went through the inflationary scenario.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.
And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning-the second day.
And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the third day.
And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the fourth day.
And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day.
And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day.
