Krilons Resa
Jerry's married?!
and there are more efficient ones out there where you aren;t monetarily butt-raped for it. Fuck GNC.
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and there are more efficient ones out there where you aren;t monetarily butt-raped for it. Fuck GNC.
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
I'm currently taking Optimum Nutrition's 100% natural whey. The powder has won pseudo awards from every backyard athletic commission in the country.
I'm going to up the ephedrine/caffeine stack to 50mg/400mg respectively. I currently take that much caffeine a night by supplementing my 200mg tab dosage with 2 cups of extra bold ethiopian coffee. I won't expect much of a drastic change in energy, but the thermogenic effect should rise a considerable deal. Plus abstaining from coffee is a good dental decision.
I'm going to up the ephedrine/caffeine stack to 50mg/400mg respectively. I currently take that much caffeine a night by supplementing my 200mg tab dosage with 2 cups of extra bold ethiopian coffee. I won't expect much of a drastic change in energy, but the thermogenic effect should rise a considerable deal. Plus abstaining from coffee is a good dental decision.
Necromunchkin
Lord of the Whisky
Krilons Resa
Jerry's married?!
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
lol @ their gold membership. Even with this discount their products remain 60% higher than more reputable brands purchased via the intarwebster.
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
tell me who? I've tried dozens over the years
(and FYI, this new stuff is NOT that expensive)
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
how did I know Optimum Nutrition's "whey" protein would be in this conversation?
awesome, it's $25/tub. it's also a piece of shit
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
LOL! Dude I'm not suicidal. I meant 50/400 daily dosage. 25/200mg twice a day.
My heart would fucking explode doing all of that at once.
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
Are you single or double scooping?!? You need to double serve that shiat negroid.
Krilons Resa
Jerry's married?!
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
Are you single or double scooping?!? You need to double serve that shiat negroid.
I triple scoop GNC's protein, after work-outs on well, work-out days, and first thing in the AM on non-workout days. In all my years of working out/dabbling, this is the best protein I've tried.
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
Have you tried VP2 Whey Isolate by AST Sports Science? That protein is the creme de la creme. Fucking expensive though.
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
I have not; what's their big selling point?
Because I highly doubt a single one of you who are pooh-pooh'ing GNC have tried their new Iso-Whey amino acid blend, which seriously fucking kicks all sorts of ass (and is reasonably priced ta boot)
Necromunchkin
Lord of the Whisky
Gugs, in this you are correct, I haven't tried it. I just haven't gone back to a GNC in about two years. The last time a simple expedition to pick up an Amino Acid complex digressed into a yelling match with the sales monkey working the floor. Since then, I've had no inclination to even set foor in the place.
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
hey, I can understand that; it's a corporation in which ALL the stores are franchised out to owner/operators. I happen to be lucky in that my local is run by a seriously kick-ass guy. Hooks me up all the time.
I will say this though, if you shop at the right time & are a gold card member (i.e. 1st week of the month), you can just use their online store - they ARE the largest, richest bodybuilding supplement company in the world (move over EAC, sorry). It's only natural they will have the resources to pour into their own product. I'm sure I'm guilty of buying into some hype (after all, they exist to turn a profit), but I have no doubt that they have access to the best research, the best clinical studies, etc.
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
How VP2 Works - The Science
VP2 has enhanced absorption kinetics that shuttle large amounts of the amino acids essential for protein synthesis directly into muscle and other tissues. This enhanced delivery system relieves the metabolic burden on muscle having to supply all organs and tissues with these amino acids. This leaves a more potent supply of critical amino acids within muscle and promotes a more constant, uninterrupted state of protein synthesis, cell volume, and muscle anabolism.
VP2 creates a high level of cysteine within the bloodstream. Research has shown this to be essential to the protein regulation process within the body. A high and constant supply of cysteine channels protein metabolism toward muscle growth and away from muscle breakdown. VP2's cysteine supply relieves the burden on muscle, enhancing muscle anabolism and strength. VP2 is also high in cystine (two cysteine amino acids joined together). This dipeptide is extremely rare in other foods and protein supplements. It is critical to the formation of glutathione within the body.
Glutathione is the centerpiece of all antioxidant and detoxification defense systems within our body and is the third biochemical pathway that leads to muscle growth and strength increases.
The research on glutathione's relationship with muscle is clear. Heavy and intense training lowers glutathione levels. Increasing cellular glutathione leads directly to increases in muscle mass and strength. VP2 promotes elevated glutathione levels for dynamic increases in strength and muscle mass.
The Research . . .
Research recently completed on VP2 Whey Isolate has just been presented at the 2002 American College of Sports Medicine's annual conference, and the results are nothing short of amazing.
In a double-blind, controlled research setting two groups of experienced, equally matched, drug-free bodybuilders underwent a 10-week intense training program Max-OT style! One group supplemented their diet with VP2 Whey Isolate, the other group used an equal amount of a standard protein supplement (found commonly in many supplements). The results obtained by the bodybuilders using VP2 Whey Isolate amazed everyone, even the elite team of scientists at Victoria University that performed the research.
VP2 Whey Isolate produced:
* an average gain of 11 pounds in pure muscle
* a decrease of over 3 pounds in body fat without dieting
* a 110 pound increase in the bodybuilder's best squat
* a 45 pound increase in the bodybuilder's best bench press
All in just ten weeks!
This research was selected to be presented in full, at the American College of Sports Medicine's 49th Annual Meeting, 2002 in St Louis, Missouri. This convention was also held in conjunction with the 6th International Olympic Committee's World Congress on Sport Science, making it one of the most significant gatherings in recent sports science history.
This research was the first to examine the effects of different proteins during bodybuilding exercise, using experienced lifters, in a real-world setting. The results are in and they are crystal clear. For building muscle all protein supplements are definitely not the same.
VP2 Whey Isolate is the only whey protein verified in scientific research to pack on muscle and transform your physique. Make no mistake, VP2 is different than any supplement you may have tried. VP2 is formulated using state-of-the-art, cutting-edge protein technology. It's uniquely designed to accelerate the adaptation process of bodybuilding exercise. Now, VP2 has been proven to build you more muscle, faster.
Provide your body the only protein scientifically proven to dynamically increase explosive power, strength and lean muscle mass.
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A sales pitch? Sure. Doesn't change the fact that their products are top notch.
VP2 has enhanced absorption kinetics that shuttle large amounts of the amino acids essential for protein synthesis directly into muscle and other tissues. This enhanced delivery system relieves the metabolic burden on muscle having to supply all organs and tissues with these amino acids. This leaves a more potent supply of critical amino acids within muscle and promotes a more constant, uninterrupted state of protein synthesis, cell volume, and muscle anabolism.
VP2 creates a high level of cysteine within the bloodstream. Research has shown this to be essential to the protein regulation process within the body. A high and constant supply of cysteine channels protein metabolism toward muscle growth and away from muscle breakdown. VP2's cysteine supply relieves the burden on muscle, enhancing muscle anabolism and strength. VP2 is also high in cystine (two cysteine amino acids joined together). This dipeptide is extremely rare in other foods and protein supplements. It is critical to the formation of glutathione within the body.
Glutathione is the centerpiece of all antioxidant and detoxification defense systems within our body and is the third biochemical pathway that leads to muscle growth and strength increases.
The research on glutathione's relationship with muscle is clear. Heavy and intense training lowers glutathione levels. Increasing cellular glutathione leads directly to increases in muscle mass and strength. VP2 promotes elevated glutathione levels for dynamic increases in strength and muscle mass.
The Research . . .
Research recently completed on VP2 Whey Isolate has just been presented at the 2002 American College of Sports Medicine's annual conference, and the results are nothing short of amazing.
In a double-blind, controlled research setting two groups of experienced, equally matched, drug-free bodybuilders underwent a 10-week intense training program Max-OT style! One group supplemented their diet with VP2 Whey Isolate, the other group used an equal amount of a standard protein supplement (found commonly in many supplements). The results obtained by the bodybuilders using VP2 Whey Isolate amazed everyone, even the elite team of scientists at Victoria University that performed the research.
VP2 Whey Isolate produced:
* an average gain of 11 pounds in pure muscle
* a decrease of over 3 pounds in body fat without dieting
* a 110 pound increase in the bodybuilder's best squat
* a 45 pound increase in the bodybuilder's best bench press
All in just ten weeks!
This research was selected to be presented in full, at the American College of Sports Medicine's 49th Annual Meeting, 2002 in St Louis, Missouri. This convention was also held in conjunction with the 6th International Olympic Committee's World Congress on Sport Science, making it one of the most significant gatherings in recent sports science history.
This research was the first to examine the effects of different proteins during bodybuilding exercise, using experienced lifters, in a real-world setting. The results are in and they are crystal clear. For building muscle all protein supplements are definitely not the same.
VP2 Whey Isolate is the only whey protein verified in scientific research to pack on muscle and transform your physique. Make no mistake, VP2 is different than any supplement you may have tried. VP2 is formulated using state-of-the-art, cutting-edge protein technology. It's uniquely designed to accelerate the adaptation process of bodybuilding exercise. Now, VP2 has been proven to build you more muscle, faster.
Provide your body the only protein scientifically proven to dynamically increase explosive power, strength and lean muscle mass.
-------------
A sales pitch? Sure. Doesn't change the fact that their products are top notch.
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
that sounds pretty much 100% like GNC's version
I'd wager dollars-to-donuts that GNC's is cheaper too
I'd wager dollars-to-donuts that GNC's is cheaper too
Reign in Acai
Of Elephant and Man
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
that's ridiculous
GNC's is $10/lb at "normal" price, but it's constantly on sale for $6.50/lb
http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2133619&cp=2665513.2108294&parentPage=family
I'm serious Jerry, give it a shot, I almost can guarantee you will like the results. I've converted more fat to muscle and actually gained tone & muscle mass in the past few months than I ever have before. Sure that may be because I'm a "smarter" exerciser, but I also believe that this supplement is helping me.
