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Just out of curiosity, how can one "protein" blend be any different than someone else's "protein" blend? Protein is protein. Yeah, there's a billion different subtypes of protein but one dude's isoleucine better be exactly the same as some other fucktard's isoleucine, or one of them is lying.
 
Guess I'm wrong, then.
*goes back to school, retakes nutrition, anatomy, physiology, pathophysiology, chemistry, organic chemistry, and bowling. Retakes NCLEX exam. Starts nursing career over again*
 
your failed humor attempt aside, saying "protein is protein" when discussing the differences between the different additives that each company utilizes to transfer the protein into the human body's digestive system is akin to saying well, blood is blood, when you know goddamned well that it's not the case

on 2nd though, go back to school, you were right
 
That's an incorrect analogy, btw. Protein is protein. Leucine is leucine. It's a chemical structure, unalterable, or it become something else. "Blood" is "blood" is only true in the case of semantics.
 
That's an incorrect analogy, btw. Protein is protein. Leucine is leucine. It's a chemical structure, unalterable, or it become something else. "Blood" is "blood" is only true in the case of semantics.

You're wrong. This is why you're a registered nurse, and not a nutritionist. Actually nutritionists are fucktards just the same. Where do I get my info?!? Juiceheads. You know, people that actually apply the knowledge to their lives.


Note - I'm not trying to offend you. I love you to death. Here's an emoticon to prove it. :dopey:
 
try MRI's creatine (google it, or search on gnc's website)

I haven't taken this supplement in so many years, that I had no idea that they progressed scientifically with this product. After some research it appears as if ethyl ester is the way to go to reap the benefits of creatine, with out suffering the unwanted side effect of bloating. Bye Bye monohydrate! Markgugsias Maximus, the product in which you specifically named is overpriced and overhyped at a whopping .48 cents a gram (internet rates). I can only imagine how much GNC is gouging the public for. :erk:


All roads point towards Higher Power CEE as being one of the top products in the field. A 3 month supply for $20 bucks is one hell of a deal. :)



Some information on CEEs


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Regular creatine monohydrate has been shown effective at increasing lean muscle mass1,2,3,4, muscle strength5,6 and athletic performance.7,8

However, regular creatine monohydrate is absorbed poorly by the body - and its effectiveness is dependant upon the cells ability to absorb it. The poor absorption rate of regular creatine monohydrate requires the creatine user to ingest large dosages of creatine to achieve desired effect.

Because creatine draws water to the cell, and because most ingested creatine monohydrate is not absorbed, unabsorbed creatine will sit outside of the target cell with the water, and this will result in the "creatine bloat."

Long-term clinical studies have proven that creatine monohydrate is safe for use by persons free of medical complication9, but why would you want to ingest more creatine monohydrate than you have to simply because your creatine is inefficient?

Creatine ethyl ester is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. The attachment of an ester is significant, because esters are found in the fat tissue of animals. But, why is this important? What role does this have in the absorption of creatine?

All substances that you put into your body will affect its operation. There are three ways that substances can affect a cells operation. They are:

* Ligand binding to protein receptor sites.
* Secondary messenger / metabotropic systems
* Passive permeation of the cell wall via lipids

When a substance enters the body and affects the bodies operation, it is known as a ligand. The soma and dendrites of the cell have protein receptor sites to which ligands can bind. The process of a ligand binding with a receptor site is akin to a lock and key: only keys of a certain shape work with certain locks. When they work and cause the cells stimulation they are called agonists. When they block the cell from functioning they are called antagonists.

When a ligand binds with the receptor site of a target cell, the cell, in the simplest of cases, changes its shape, opens up its ion channels and changes its function. In so-called "secondary messenger" or metabotropic cells, the ligand binds with the receptor site and an internal protein known as a g-protein is released. This released protein then binds to an internal site inside of the cell, and then the cell changes its behavior by opening its ion channels. Cells that operate in this way are known as metabotropic cells because their operation requires metabolic energy.

Passive permeation is a process that describes the diffusion of a substance across a cell membrane through the use of lipids as transport mechanisms. Because no "work" is being done by the cell in this model, this model is called passive permeation.

Creatine monohydrate utilizes lipids to permeate the cell wall and enter the cell. Because of this, the esterficiation of creatine, and the presence of esters in animal fat tissue, becomes significant.

Creatine monohydrate is semi-lipopholic. This means that it inefficiently uses fat as a transport mechanism. The esterficiation of substances will increase their lipopholic abilities, and thus esterified creatine will use fat more efficiently to permeate the cell wall and exert its effects upon cellular function than its unesterified creatine monohydrate counterpart.

This means, simply, that not only will dosage requirements be lower, but the absorption of esterified creatine will be increased and the infamous "creatine bloat" will be eliminated!
 
To me, comparing competing products in the supplement industry can be tough. Manufacturers are often intentionally vague about their ingredients, often not stating them at all, instead stating they're using a patent-pending blend and therefore can't list the ingredients. And when they do list the ingredient, they're often vague about the the quality and quantity of those ingredients.

With protein powders I generally look for three things; grams of protein per serving, taste, and that it's made by a well established company. I've used all the products being thrown around in this thread, and can say I've found the differences to be indecipherable. On the weight lifting boards I read, many of the really big guys on there, buy no-name creatine and no-name protein from Wall-Mart, and it doesn't seem to be holding them back.

As for GNC, I believe the products that carry their brand name are as good or better than what 75% of the industry produces. That said, I avoid them when I can, as their prices are beyond absurd. As a matter of fact, their prices are so much higher than other brick & mortars in the same area, I'm amazed they're still in business. Then again, 95% of what vitamin shops sell is glorified snake oil.

Zod
 
IAfter some research it appears as if ethyl ester is the way to go to reap the benefits of creatine, with out suffering the unwanted side effect of bloating.
Are you someone that suffered the side effects? I, for one, am not. Since most people don't suffer these side effects, there is no benefit to ethyl ester over micronized monohydrate, only a higher price tag.

The article you posted is typical of the supplement industry; use sound logic and fancy medical terms, instead of shouldering the costs of a scientific study to back your claims. To date, not a single scientific study (to the best of my knowledge) has been done that proves ethyl ester provides greater strength gains than monohydrate.

Zod
 
I hate that it's so fucking hard to find an article where science actually backs the supplement, there are far too many personal stories.
 
I hate that it's so fucking hard to find an article where science actually backs the supplement, there are far too many personal stories.
It's simple... eat, lift with intensity and good form, take creatine and protein, rest... repeat. There are no miracle pills, there are no shortcuts. People always want to overlook the obvious (not necessarily you). If you want to get lean/defined, reduce caloric intake. If you want to gain mass/strength, raise caloric intake. EVERYTHING else is bullshit. That goes for 95% of what the vitamin shops sell, 95% of the exercises Men's Health (and the alike) recommend, and 99.99% of the diets out there.[/end_of_thread]

Zod
 
It's simple... eat, lift with intensity and good form, take creatine and protein, rest... repeat. There are no miracle pills, there are no shortcuts. People always want to overlook the obvious (not necessarily you). If you want to get lean/defined, reduce caloric intake. If you want to gain mass/strength, raise caloric intake. EVERYTHING else is bullshit. That goes for 95% of what the vitamin shops sell, 95% of the exercises Men's Health (and the alike) recommend, and 99.99% of the diets out there.[/end_of_thread]


MUCH better. Thanks. :kickass:
 
It's simple... eat, lift with intensity and good form, take creatine and protein, rest... repeat. There are no miracle pills, there are no shortcuts. People always want to overlook the obvious (not necessarily you). If you want to get lean/defined, reduce caloric intake. If you want to gain mass/strength, raise caloric intake. EVERYTHING else is bullshit. That goes for 95% of what the vitamin shops sell, 95% of the exercises Men's Health (and the alike) recommend, and 99.99% of the diets out there.[/end_of_thread]

Zod

for real, couldn't have said it any better myself, though I do *not* take creatine. I take a fat-burning mix to help raise my core temps & burn off some weight (now that I'm in my mid-30s, simply doing cardio doesn't cut it, and I like beer too much)

I take a superb iso-whey protein w/ amino acid delivery system, and then a leucine + system while I work-out to fight fatigue & muscle fail, and I eat decently. That's about it.
 
Interested in seeing the nutritional breakdown of this product. However, I don't see anything matching this description on their web site.

Zod

sorry, it's leucine, not LeuceMine, which is a brand name from MyoTech

at any rate - http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2133619&cp=2665513 - if you go to that link, you'll see the ability to click "description", "product info", "label"

if you have Adobe Acrobat and can view a PDF, just click label and then enlarge it so you can read what's in the thing; the "description" describes the transmission system they use
 
Are you someone that suffered the side effects? I, for one, am not. Since most people don't suffer these side effects, there is no benefit to ethyl ester over micronized monohydrate, only a higher price tag.

It's been a couple years so I don't recall.The Bulk CEE powder formula is as inexpensive as the monohydrate.
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I take a fat-burning mix to help raise my core temps & burn off some weight (now that I'm in my mid-30s, simply doing cardio doesn't cut it, and I like beer too much)

yeah, I'm about to give up on cardio. I'm not even close to expecting the results I want considering how much effort I put into it. At 37, it just aint working like it used to (even when I was 27).

I take a superb iso-whey protein w/ amino acid delivery system, and then a leucine + system while I work-out to fight fatigue & muscle fail, and I eat decently. That's about it.

But whats the "fat-burning mix" you on?

And what the hell is wrong with Optimum Nutrition!? It tastes damn good too.
 

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