fat burning pills

[JayKeeley]

When you cut (attempt to lower body fat to get leaner) you will lose muscle mass. There's no way to prevent it. Upping protein will help some, but it's all just part of the cut/bulk process serious body builders use.

Do you know if fat burning pills also strip away muscle gains? Or do they magically just target fat and leave muscle well alone? (that would be quite cool actually)

Conversely, when you bulk, you will put on unwanted fat. Again, it's just part of the process. In all of this, you must remember, that the human body is not designed to put on additional muscle, it goes against our most basic need to feed ourselves. More muscle requires more food.

Maintenance. Eating the ideal amount of calories to sustain.

Makes sense, thanks. The results of very low bf% and increased muscle mass -- or at least, that 'imbalance' -- is probably somewhat unhealthy?

 

[General Zod]

Snippet from a good article on protein.

I agree that this is an article on protein. I'll disagree that it's a good one.

I'll say it again; you should overfeed protein.

That statement shows a complete lack of knowledge of how the body works. It also shows a poor understanding of the English language.

By its very definition, over doing anything is of no value, hence the word "over". But more importantly, the body doesn't only piss away excess protein, it also stores it as fat.

• Protein is broken down into building blocks known as peptides.
• Then, it is further broken down and it becomes amino acids.
  
• The amino acids are absorbed through the small intestine's lining and enter the blood stream.
  
• From here, some of the amino acids build the body's protein stores.
  
• Excess amino acids are converted to fats and sugars.

The article you posted is further proof, that anyone with a HTML editor can pass themselves off as an "expert".

Zod

 

[General Zod]

Do you know if fat burning pills also strip away muscle gains? Or do they magically just target fat and leave muscle well alone? (that would be quite cool actually)

I don't know the first thing about fat burning pills. I suspect, that most of that "fat pill" burning industry is snake oil. If there was such a pill, there wouldn't be fat people and the company that produced it would be the wealthiest corporation in the world (or at least second, after the penis growth pill company).

Makes sense, thanks. The results of very low bf% and increased muscle mass -- or at least, that 'imbalance' -- is probably somewhat unhealthy?

Well, I guess it ultimately depends on whether you view body builders as unhealthy people. Obviously the folks who body build for a living carry a ton of muscle mass, and are usually down around 3% - 5% BF for contests. That said, to get to the point where body fat and muscle mass are so inversely proportionate, takes an absurd amount of time and commitment, so it's probably not something you or I would ever need to be concerned about.

Zod

 

[dorian gray]

Aren't "fat burning" pills just stimulants? That's what they were back in my day [/cantbebotheredtoreadtheentirethread]

 

[Krilons Resa]

Cutting has nothing to do with calorie consumption, is has to do with bf%, and ensuring that your caloric expenditure is on par with the amount that you're taking in.

That sentence makes my head hurt. I love you Jerry, but what a dumbshit fucking sentence.

 

[Reign in Acai]

I guess we can agree to disagree. While the ultimate goal of cutting is to lower BF%, the term "cutting" is short for "cutting calories". If you Google cutting and body building, every article you find will center around calorie consumption.

If you're consuming 50 grams of fat (450 calories) and 300 grams of protein (1,200 calories), so as long as you're under 250 grams of carbs (1,000 calories), than you're doing a calorie cutting diet.

With everything in fitness and nutrition, there is good, better and best. The fact that you're losing weight, doesn't mean your diet is ideal.

Maybe I wasn't too clear. I haven't lost a pound, just bf.
I always took the term cutting as eating strict, upping the cardio, and dropping your bf%.

Perhaps I'll buy some whole grain pasta for dinner, so everyones concerns can be put to rest.


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[Reign in Acai]

That sentence makes my head hurt. I love you Jerry, but what a dumbshit fucking sentence.

I should have thrown the word "negar somewhere in there to make it more fluid.

What I was trying to convey was what was mentioned in the article snippet.

The net result is that the thermic effect of food is about 30% of the intake for proteins, while it's just 4 to 6% for fats and carbohydrates. This means that for a 100 calorie meal, protein will require a full 30 calories just to process it, compared to a mere 4 to 6 calories expended to process those yummy gut-expanding carbs and fats. The bottom line is that it appears better to overeat than to under-eat protein when you're trying to add muscle mass while keeping the body fat off.



A calorie is not simply a calorie. If the amount of calories that you're consuming is exceeded by the amount of calories that you're expending via exercise, you're going to lose "weight" regardless.

"weight" lost isn't the aim my negar hating friends, but instead, reduction in fat mass. If you want to preserve lean body mass to , improve your glucose tolerance, increase energy expenditure, etcetera while reducing fat mass, you need to wolf down the protein like it's Susperia's beautifully trimmed muff.

A person whom utilizes a 2,000 calorie/day diet with a high percentage of protein and a moderate amount of fat, along with a lower carbohydrate intake, will indeed lose more fat and preserve more muscle mass than a person who follows an isocaloric diet with high amounts of carbohydrate but low amounts of protein and fat.

It all has to do with how carbs affect insulin secretion/management, and insulin is, to a great extent, is what determines how you process food and what percentage of the food will wind up as fat or muscle.

Plus you got to listen to your body. Your body will tell you if it's craving a plate of pasta, or a fat greasy burger. Then by all means go ahead and gorge, everyone deserves to cheat. I downed some pizza and beer just the other day, no biggy. No harm done, aslong as these cravings are not occuring every 3 hours.

 

[Climb Thar Hill]

In 20 minutes I shall consume my breakfast of two overeasy eggs and some potatos with a wee bit of ketchup on them

 

[Krilons Resa]

I should have thrown the word "negar somewhere in there to make it more fluid.

What I was trying to convey was what was mentioned in the article snippet.

The net result is that the thermic effect of food is about 30% of the intake for proteins, while it's just 4 to 6% for fats and carbohydrates. This means that for a 100 calorie meal, protein will require a full 30 calories just to process it, compared to a mere 4 to 6 calories expended to process those yummy gut-expanding carbs and fats. The bottom line is that it appears better to overeat than to under-eat protein when you're trying to add muscle mass while keeping the body fat off.

You should alway eat more protein when cutting than when bulking.

edit: and yeah, a calorie isn't a calorie...but cutting has EVERYTHING to do with calorie restriction. Obviously there's more to it for different/faster results, etc, but w/e...like i said im too lazy to write shit out.

And you directly said "Cutting has nothing to do with calorie consumption." lmao

 

[Reign in Acai]

And you directly said "Cutting has nothing to do with calorie consumption." lmao

Stop busting my balls, I just woke up, and now you're dragging down my "life quality"

Where's that poll?

 

[Krilons Resa]

 

[Reign in Acai]

Aren't "fat burning" pills just stimulants? That's what they were back in my day [/cantbebotheredtoreadtheentirethread]

Ofcourse they are. Stimulants that put your body in to thermogenic overdrive.

Do you know if fat burning pills also strip away muscle gains? Or do they magically just target fat and leave muscle well alone? (that would be quite cool actually)

They work magically by jacking off your beta(2) adrenoreceptors which will increase protein synthesis and stave off the catabolism of muscle which occurs when you're cutting.



"Though cutting has nothing to do with calorie consumption." j/k

 

[Reign in Acai]

I agree that this is an article on protein. I'll disagree that it's a good one.

I'll say it again; you should overfeed protein.

That statement shows a complete lack of knowledge of how the body works. It also shows a poor understanding of the English language.

By its very definition, over doing anything is of no value, hence the word "over". But more importantly, the body doesn't only piss away excess protein, it also stores it as fat.

• Protein is broken down into building blocks known as peptides.
• Then, it is further broken down and it becomes amino acids.
  
• The amino acids are absorbed through the small intestine's lining and enter the blood stream.
  
• From here, some of the amino acids build the body's protein stores.
  
• Excess amino acids are converted to fats and sugars.

The article you posted is further proof, that anyone with a HTML editor can pass themselves off as an "expert".

Zod

Bro. That article was written by Dr. John Berardi, a prominent man in the field of nutrition that makes thousands of jew tokens assisting professional athletes. He has a doctorate in the field of exercise biology and nutritional biochemistry.
And he himself, not to sound like a faggot, is in pretty good physical condition.


Speaking of nutritional biochemistry, I need to pass a log.

 

[Reign in Acai]

The negative impact of alcohol is God damn ridiculous. A one week hiatus which included eating poorly,with multiple days of alcohol consumption resulted in a pure tanking of my stamina and strength gains. I'm not touching booze until Gojira on 10/28.


In other news, Ali I know you love doing pushups so try this one on for size.

Decline Spiderman Pushup -

Description: Assume the classic pushup position but place your feet on a bench. Keeping your abs braced and your body in a straight line, slowly bend your elbows until your chest is a few inches from the floor. As you go down, bring your right knee to your right elbow. Straighten your leg back out as you use your chest, shoulders, and triceps to push yourself back to the starting position. Alternate legs.


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[General Zod]

Bro. That article was written by Dr. John Berardi, a prominent man in the field of nutrition that makes thousands of jew tokens assisting professional athletes.

What do they call the guy who graduates last is his class in medical school? Doctor. I could care less if he has enough degrees to wallpaper his house. It doesn't change the fact that what he's stating is wrong.

And he himself, not to sound like a faggot, is in pretty good physical condition.

Someone being in good physical condition doesn't back up their claims that their program works. Someone could get 17" biceps doing things completely backwards. However, to the novice, you look at that guy and think, "Wow... he's got big arms, he must know what he's doing." They never consider, that guy might have 19" biceps if he knew his ass from his elbow.

To advocate overfeeding protein is just flat out stupid. As I said, the word "over", in "overfeeding", means that what you're doing is useless. Which doesn't even begin to touch on the fact that accepted nutritional theory (by tons of folks with PhDs) states excessive protein intake can be unhealthy.

A gram to a gram and a half per pound of lean body mass.

By the way... how is the program working for you?

Zod

 

[Reign in Acai]

I'm not following that doctor's prescribed program.

Following a set program is the ghey. Do exercises that you're in the mood for, there's no fun in following a formulated regimen! The only thing I abide by is the one body part a day rule.

Which doesn't even begin to touch on the fact that accepted nutritional theory (by tons of folks with PhDs) states excessive protein intake can be unhealthy.

Actually this theory is far from being accepted. There's no scientific data whatsoever to back up this claim. And if you do have some, I'd love to see it kind sir.

 

[Krilons Resa]

One body part/day?

 

[Krilons Resa]

Lets talk about sleeping pills, shall we? Just popped an Ambien into my hollow cabe of a staomach about 20 minutes ago and it's already taking over my shit. zaa

 

[Krilons Resa]

Since no car too --- From Work, I walk to the gym (about a mile or so)...then jump on the treadmill for an hour...then grab my backpack and walk my ass home (about 4 miles away)....My feet, calves, and hip flexors hurt.

 

[Krilons Resa]

couple resin hits...i think im blind.