fat burning pills

[JayKeeley]

If you want to get lean/defined, reduce caloric intake.

But increase the protein, no? If you work out with reduced calorie intake, it's likely that you're going to lose muscle mass too.

If you want to gain mass/strength, raise caloric intake.

Isn't there a danger with this? Meaning, if you raise calories and you DON'T work out enough, you eventually just end up putting on unnecessary weight?

There has to be a balance somewhere.

Also, when the hell do people find time to go to the gym? Weekends is one thing, but the only time I can go during the week is when I duck out of work. One day I'm gonna get caught, I swear.

 

[Reign in Acai]

You guys complicate things way too much.

Serious shit. This is how you fucking get in to shape... I type this as I am in between a monumental Hell Awaits Us All workout. I'm so fucking God damn addicted to this forum that I hop on during rest intervals.


Don;t Eat trash
Lift weight to maximum overload
Bust your ass on Cardio.
Drink a fuckload of water
Consume 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight.


The End.

Real simple. If you can't obtain results following these simple guidelines, go have your thyroid checked.

 

[JayKeeley]

Don;t Eat trash

OK. And of course, this includes beer, no doubt.

Lift weight to maximum overload
Bust your ass on Cardio.
Drink a fuckload of water

Right.

Consume 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight.

One big shake in the morning, one big shake at night, and what about during the day? Do you folks take a shake into work with you?

 

[Krilons Resa]

1 gram of protein/lb is sufficient enough.

Yeah, I know Im punctual....cuz Im lazy.

edit: #1 factor is genetics btw.

 

[Reign in Acai]

edit: #1 factor is genetics btw.

Yea. But Ali is not looking to be Arnold, so even with shit genetics he can still obtain his desired results.


I weigh in the 220s, so I need to consume 300+ protein a day to become a God damn Argive killing Arghoslenter.

2 cans of tuna = 1 meal of 76 grams of protein
2 50 gram whey shakes = 100 grams
A chicken feast = 60 grams
Flax Seed Oatmeal 2 packets with non-fat leche = 15 grams of protein
A meaty chicken/steak/dead flesh sandwich = 30 grams
Miscellaneous feedings - 50-100 grams of protein


Carbs= The oats as mentioned above
Wheat bread (bad choice, but fuck it)
Fruits & Veggies


I fucking feel like Killing someone right now. God damn Ephedrine!!

 

[cthulufhtagn]

Bronkaid

haha really, i've used this stuff for clearing up coughs before. actually i've got some chest congestion going on right now, care to send me some?

 

[Reign in Acai]

haha really, i've used this stuff for clearing up coughs before. actually i've got some chest congestion going on right now, care to send me some?

Don't have any to spare. :hordes 3 boxes worth:

 

[JayKeeley]

Yea. But Ali is not looking to be Arnold, so even with shit genetics he can still obtain his desired results.

But it's true. Genetically, I should be skinny. My DNA dictates that. So the best I can achieve is a toned look. I won't ever be a heavyweight but that's perfectly fine -- I'm ok with retaining my size, but just stripping away fat and toning muscle. My ambitions aren't too extreme, I don't think.

I weigh in the 220s, so I need to consume 300+ protein a day to become a God damn Argive killing Arghoslenter.

2 cans of tuna = 1 meal of 76 grams of protein
2 50 gram whey shakes = 100 grams
A chicken feast = 60 grams
Flax Seed Oatmeal 2 packets with non-fat leche = 15 grams of protein
A meaty chicken/steak/dead flesh sandwich = 30 grams
Miscellaneous feedings - 50-100 grams of protein


Carbs= The oats as mentioned above
Wheat bread (bad choice, but fuck it)
Fruits & Veggies


I fucking feel like Killing someone right now. God damn Ephedrine!!

So you're obviously going for size. And by the way, eating that much a day is just ridiculous. You really think you can maintain that diet and keep the exercise going?

I suppose if I was single, living alone, I could put the extra effort into it. Good for you.

 

[Reign in Acai]

But it's true. Genetically, I should be skinny. My DNA dictates that. So the best I can achieve is a toned look. I won't ever be a heavyweight but that's perfectly fine -- I'm ok with retaining my size, but just stripping away fat and toning muscle. My ambitions aren't too extreme, I don't think.



So you're obviously going for size. And by the way, eating that much a day is just ridiculous. You really think you can maintain that diet and keep the exercise going?

I suppose if I was single, living alone, I could put the extra effort into it. Good for you.

Bro. This is actually a diet plan to cut. It's really not much food at all, considering the oatmeal, shakes, tuna, fruits/veggies don't fill your belly.

 

[JayKeeley]

Bro. This is actually a diet plan to cut. It's really not much food at all, considering the oatmeal, shakes, tuna, fruits/veggies don't fill your belly.

Sorry, yeah, upon closer inspection you're right. I guess what I meant was that I applaud your regiment. In reality, sticking to a strict diet (on a daily basis) is nigh impossible.

 

[Reign in Acai]

Well I'm going to piss it away next week by drinking myself in to oblivion. Well on second thought, I'm going to be doing two a days for the next week. So it shouldn't have much of a negative impact, as long I stay stringent with my water consumption.

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Bro. This is actually a diet plan to cut. It's really not much food at all, considering the oatmeal, shakes, tuna, fruits/veggies don't fill your belly.

you do realize the human body CANNOT process 300 grams of protein, right?

enjoy your bland existence

 

[General Zod]

But increase the protein, no? If you work out with reduced calorie intake, it's likely that you're going to lose muscle mass too.

When you cut (attempt to lower body fat to get leaner) you will lose muscle mass. There's no way to prevent it. Upping protein will help some, but it's all just part of the cut/bulk process serious body builders use.

Isn't there a danger with this? Meaning, if you raise calories and you DON'T work out enough, you eventually just end up putting on unnecessary weight?

Conversely, when you bulk, you will put on unwanted fat. Again, it's just part of the process. In all of this, you must remember, that the human body is not designed to put on additional muscle, it goes against our most basic need to feed ourselves. More muscle requires more food.

There has to be a balance somewhere.

Maintenance. Eating the ideal amount of calories to sustain.

Also, when the hell do people find time to go to the gym? Weekends is one thing, but the only time I can go during the week is when I duck out of work. One day I'm gonna get caught, I swear.

I go on weekends, and either at lunch or after work.

Zod

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

I go 3 times during the week for lifting (usually M-W-F), and sometimes I'll go a 4th time just for extra cardio, either during the week or on Saturday.

 

[General Zod]

Bro. This is actually a diet plan to cut. It's really not much food at all, considering the oatmeal, shakes, tuna, fruits/veggies don't fill your belly.

If you're cutting and weigh 220 pounds, you should be consuming 2,640 calories at most. If you're taking in 300 grams of protein, you're already at 1,200 calories. Unless you're on a diet that calls for 45% protein (which isn't a diet I've ever seen recommended), you're probably consuming too many calories to cut effectively.

Generally speaking, you raise your carbs when cutting, to make up for the lack of energy typically felt when lessening your caloric intake.

Zod

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

on the plus side, this Westin I'm in has the best fitness center I've ever seen!

I'm psyched I'm not going to miss tomorrow's work-out pre-Yanks/Sox game

 

[Reign in Acai]

If you're cutting and weigh 220 pounds, you should be consuming 2,640 calories at most. If you're taking in 300 grams of protein, you're already at 1,200 calories. Unless you're on a diet that calls for 45% protein (which isn't a diet I've ever seen recommended), you're probably consuming too many calories to cut effectively.

Generally speaking, you raise your carbs when cutting, to make up for the lack of energy typically felt when lessening your caloric intake.

Zod

Cutting has nothing to do with calorie consumption, is has to do with bf%, and ensuring that your caloric expenditure is on par with the amount that you're taking in. I'm consuming no more than 50 grams of fat a day (if that). Tie that in with cardio that burns on average of 400-500 calories a session and whatever fat I'm carrying is going to drop like a white boxer. Trust me, I've been on this diet for I believe 2 months already, my energy is on the rise, not on the decline. My bf has lowered considerably, with simply diet and weight training. Today is the first day where I'm going to tack on the cardio. So the "true" cutting will begin today.

Remember two cans of tuna is a measly 250+ calories. I don't drink soda, eat snacks, or any of that other bullshit. This is just plain ole manly eating. I've experienced strength increases in every lift, no burn out whatsoever, that's even taking in to account that I work graveyard, a shift that kills most others.

Thanks for the concern.

 

[Reign in Acai]

you do realize the human body CANNOT process 300 grams of protein, right?

enjoy your bland existence

This is bullshit. The amount of protein your body digests is dependent on your bodies' needs. If you're breaking down your muscle fibers, your body will utilize the excess protein for rebuilding.

Common knowledge. Stop listening to the pimple faced cumquats at G.N.C.

 

[Reign in Acai]

Snippet from a good article on protein. I'll post the whole damn thing if any one is interested...


Now might be a good time to discuss the potential for protein over-consumption. As you both know, there's no consensus (or even a single study to my knowledge) that excess protein (> 0.8 g/kg) does any measurable damage to healthy kidneys. Most of the scare tactics stem from the data on renal patients. These patients end up with rapid loss of kidney function on normal high protein diets. Interestingly, the very professionals who point out every mistaken extrapolation in the dietary supplement world conveniently forget that they're doing the same "leap of faith" bullshit by applying this patient data to healthy athletes.

Having said that, I think there are real body composition advantages to eating upwards of 1.5 g/ lb. That's right, overfeed protein! First off, overeating protein, within reason, will not make you fat. A calorie is not a calorie! That is, excess protein calories aren't as likely to be stored as body fat compared to carbs and most fats. This is because protein has to have its nitrogen ripped off in the liver (the urea cycle), which is an energy costly process. To boot, protein kicks up glucagon secretion and glucagon antagonizes the lipogenic (fat storage) effects of insulin.

Carbs don't lend people the same favor; they just jack insulin levels sky high. The net result is that the thermic effect of food is about 30% of the intake for proteins, while it's just 4 to 6% for fats and carbohydrates. This means that for a 100 calorie meal, protein will require a full 30 calories just to process it, compared to a mere 4 to 6 calories expended to process those yummy gut-expanding carbs and fats. The bottom line is that it appears better to overeat than to under-eat protein when you're trying to add muscle mass while keeping the body fat off.

I'll say it again; you should overfeed protein. You'll piss off a good deal of it, but so what? It won't hurt you unless you've got kidney disease and you'll have the assurance that your ball-busting gym work is getting the required nutritional support. My old classroom quote (much to the chagrin of certain traditional dietetics instructors) is: "By hitting the weights and taking anabolic supplements, you've hired a brick layer. Now you've got to give him some bricks." Of course, as Cy pointed out, you also need some carbs and fat for energy, so we'll call them the "gas" for your bricklayer's equipment. You should vary these according to your glucose tolerance and energy expenditure. To further support my point, check out this data:

 

[General Zod]

Cutting has nothing to do with calorie consumption, is has to do with bf%, and ensuring that your caloric expenditure is on par with the amount that you're taking in.

I guess we can agree to disagree. While the ultimate goal of cutting is to lower BF%, the term "cutting" is short for "cutting calories". If you Google cutting and body building, every article you find will center around calorie consumption.

I'm consuming no more than 50 grams of fat a day (if that). Tie that in with cardio that burns on average of 400-500 calories a session and whatever fat I'm carrying is going to drop like a white boxer.

If you're consuming 50 grams of fat (450 calories) and 300 grams of protein (1,200 calories), so as long as you're under 250 grams of carbs (1,000 calories), than you're doing a calorie cutting diet.

Trust me, I've been on this diet for I believe 2 months already, my energy is on the rise, not on the decline. My bf has lowered considerably, with simply diet and weight training.

With everything in fitness and nutrition, there is good, better and best. The fact that you're losing weight, doesn't mean your diet is ideal. If you weighed 700 pounds, you could eat a box of ice cream sandwiches every day (if that was all you ate), and shed pounds like crazy. However, no one is going to advocate such a diet.

My initial point was only that a protein heavy diet, like the one you described, would work best for someone whose going from great shape to contest shape. The body can be taught to absorb more protein, as it adjusts to using protein for energy instead of carbs. However, starting with this diet wouldn't be considered ideal. Excess protein will be pissed away or stored as fat. However, if you're getting the results you want, that's what matters. Good luck. I'm expecting you to look like Arnold when I see you at Metal Camp.

Zod