First of all, don't tell me what I know and what I don't know.
If you say that simple spells is the essence of TES games, then yeah, I can tell you what you know, and especially what you
don't know.
Secondly, I never said "you're playing the game wrong". NEVER. NOT ONCE. NEVER EVEN ALLUDED TO IT. STOP MAKING SHIT UP.
In your own words:
"If you're playing Elder Scrolls and using anything besides Fire, Ice, and/or Lightning, you're taking it too seriously and killing the fun."
Taking it too seriously / Killing the fun = playing a game wrong. A game's primary goal is to make you have fun, yes? So if you're doing something that makes the primary goal impossible, then you're doing it wrong. I hate it when people beat their chests and come barreling out of the gate with bold, sweeping statements, only to say "oh but that's not what I meant" when called out on it, even if it clearly was, or worse, saying they never even said it!
"Taking it too seriously and killing the fun" means that you're glossing over all the great things in the game and focusing on nit-picky stuff.
No, "you're glossing over all the great things in the game and focusing on nit-picky stuff" means you're glossing over all the great things in the game and focusing on nit-picky stuff.
What I'm saying is that as far as OFFENSIVE spells go, IN MY OPINION, anything other than the fire, ice, and lightning-based spells are boring.
Only, that's not what you're saying. You're saying: if
you play in style X or Y,
you're killing the fun. Again, you're shouting bullshit off the rooftops only to pretend you weren't when called out on it.
I fail to see how not having D&D-style spells in a game like Skyrim is such a gamebreaker, as Sdralwekhroahdgfahsdgfiopuayfsdgio seems to be saying.
Neither do I, but there's a difference between not agreeing with someone and telling someone he's playing the game wrong because he doesn't play by your standards.
I'm saying that IN MY OPINION those spells aren't very missed in a game like Skyrim where combat is almost an afterthought to everything else there is to see and do in the game.
Not once did you use the phrase "in my opinion". Quite the contrary, you were telling people they played the game wrong if they didn't play it your style. Presenting your opinion as fact, which Talkingbackwards never did. Again, tou
literally said:
"If you're playing Elder Scrolls and using anything besides Fire, Ice, and/or Lightning, you're taking it too seriously and killing the fun." That's not stating your opinion, that's forcing your opinion on everyone else when you don't even know what the shit you're talking about.
Were they NOT in a game like Dragon Age, I could see why they would kill the immersion factor because D&D games are all about immersive combat as well as environments, whereas Skyrim is more tailored to ease of combat and immersive environments.
Skyrim, yes. But TES? No way. Don't tell people they should play a D&D game if they want D&D style gameplay, because TES started out with D&D style gameplay! It's like saying "If you want to play a D&D style, play something else than Baldur's Gate, because Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance was a hack & slash game".
That doesn't mean he doesn't have a point or shouldn't feel that way, and that's NOT what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that I couldn't care less if they're not included in Skyrim because even if I made a pure mage-esque character, I probably wouldn't use them anyway.
Then say that, don't say they're killing the fun for playing it their way. Reason I'm pouncing on your post so hard is because "playing the game your way" is the fucking
essence of a role-playing game! You wanna keep it simple? That's cool. Other players want to make it complex. Who the fuck are you to say they're killing the fun?
To me, saying that Skyrim fails because of a limited magic tree is like saying The Witcher series is terrible because they don't have those types of spells either. They're two completely different styles of RPGs.
Difference is that the Witcher franchise was always that way, the TES franchise wasn't. It used to be D&D style gameplay and a lot of people legitimately find the later games dumbed down. That's their good right. Another difference is that the Witcher almost completely eliminated player choice when it came to main character: you were Geralt, and used Geralt's fighting style. In TES, you create your own character, and you should have the freedom to create whatever type of character you want - the new magic system makes many character types impossible, and that's what people are complaining about. And they're not wrong, to be honest.
Now if you wanna have a pissing contest on who's the bigger RPG elitist prick, you can gladly have that title, because I never claimed to be.
It's not about who's the bigger elitist, it's about someone ranting away about something they don't know enough about.
All I said was that those are rather boring OFFENSIVE spells anyway and they won't be missed when I play it.
No, that's NOT all you're saying! Maybe it was all you
meant but it wasn't all you
said. And now, instead of admitting you were using a bit too hastily chosen words, you try to pretend you never said what you did, a tactic you so hate in others. You're better than this, DW.
I like RPGs that are fun, intuitive, immersive, and grandiose. I also like the Diablo series, which is just button mashing hack 'n slash and quick-keying potions. That doesn't mean they're any less great.
That's great, and nobody says you shouldn't like them, or shouldn't say that you do. YOU are saying people shouldn't play the game YOUR way, not the other way around.
I'll lighten up when you stop and think, and then admit you were talking silly.
