Get this...

[Jannet]

Originally posted by Kushantaiidan
It's starting to get a bit boring now.

Yeah, now that you see how IGNORANT all of you were when you read the REAL conversation. Since you can't gang up on Lina, because she's your buddy, and since you see all the truths that I've been claiming, now it gets boring, eh? Pffffft....but really, this is the end. There is enough evidence in that conversation to prove my point.

Kush, I've named my kittie Kush, and he's playing with a ball of yarn right now...

 

[Kushantaiidan]

Cool. see if you can get a picture of him. I love kittens..

 

[Sullen Jester]

Jannet = fuckwit.
Jannet = fuckwit.
Jannet = fuckwit.
Jannet = fuckwit.
Jannet = fuckwit.


Why am I saying this, you ask?
Oh, it's because I'm a CHILD, just as Jannet said.

Don't you think it's suitable, for me to be one, when I am so validly called one?

I wish I saw it long ago, that I am still a CHILD, despite how mature I think I am, how knowledgable I think I am, that age still depicts what I am, and how I act life out.

I am a fucking CHILD, and we're all IGNORANT, so I guess we should learn a lesson on life from Jannet, who knows how to deal with people so well.

Sure, she can take the message, but she won't take the explanation, the reasoning behind it.

When Lina provides reasons to her posts, Jannet ignores half of it, and rebukes (attacks) her for the original post.

 

[Klaha]

Originally posted by Sullen Jester
Jannet = fuckwit.
Jannet = fuckwit.
Jannet = fuckwit.
Jannet = fuckwit.
Jannet = fuckwit.


Why am I saying this, you ask?
Oh, it's because I'm a CHILD, just as Jannet said.

Don't you think it's suitable, for me to be one, when I am so validly called one?

I wish I saw it long ago, that I am still a CHILD, despite how mature I think I am, how knowledgable I think I am, that age still depicts what I am, and how I act life out.

I am a fucking CHILD, and we're all IGNORANT, so I guess we should learn a lesson on life from Jannet, who knows how to deal with people so well.

Sure, she can take the message, but she won't take the explanation, the reasoning behind it.

When Lina provides reasons to her posts, Jannet ignores half of it, and rebukes (attacks) her for the original post.

Amen.

 

[Lina]

Thank you for re-posting that entire conversation, Jannet. For the last day or two, I've been plagued with worries that maybe I actually did say something offensive or irrational. But now I see that I didn't. I'm actually quite proud of myself for not losing my cool. Well, anyway, thank you for posting that so everyone can see how ridiculously touchy you are.

 

[MetalManCPA]

Wow.

You know me - I will try not offend anyone - or pick sides. But the more I read - I truely am baffled at how someone can be so "in your face" yet try so hard not to admit it.

These last few days have really proven how so very hard it is to type your point. Either people don't take the time to read and interpet the others message - or just don't have any intention of openly discussing a topic.

Name-calling : if there is anything that makes me think twice about someone - it's when the discussion is lowered to an exchange of pointing fingers and calling names. It happens on occassion here - but never as much as what I've read that's been posted over the past few days. I would say practically everybody who has been here in a consistent manner has something to say - we may fall once in a while an let emotion run us over, but it usually subsides.

My wife hates the internet - she hates pornography and it's freedom on the internet, she hates chat rooms, and the dangers that lurk in them (you know - the stories the media says about abductions due to people meeting over the internet) : and her points are valid. How many flippin' times do I say this place is different? Some may dispute me, and say this is like everywhere else on the internet - but most know what I am talking about. I get a little bothered when the "mainstream" internet infiltrates this place in a big way. It's going to happen - but when it gets to an extreme level, and stays constant - it really brings this place down. We compare Opeth to mainstream bands, and to us, Opeth wins. I compare this messageboard to the "mainstream" internet, and this place wins. Why do people have to be so childish and naive. I don't care if you're 14, 20, or 40. Can't people find that part of them that can reason, discuss, and keep a cool head? Everybody has it in them - it just seems some don't know how to control it.

Well - I've read a lot of the posts over the past few days - and there has been quite a bit of finger pointing and name calling. I would say gro up, but that's not fair to say if you're 14 or so. Just because I'm 41 doesn't give me the right to think my age puts me at a different level than people half my age. All I ask is for people to let the good side of your human traits show here - not this egotistical "I'm the best" and "I'm always right" attitude.

Cooler heads should prevail.

 

[Sullen Jester]

Wise words, sir, wise words.

I'd like to think that I've had time to cool down, sitting in my room listening to Darkane, and creating HTML disasterpieces.

While I nearly agree with you 100%, I must say that Lina is right:

Jannet is ridiculously touché.

When people say something, and she thinks it insulting, she makes her rebuke, and insults them back.

I'm not saying she shouldn't defend herself (logically and reasonably), I'm saying that retaliating in the same fashion as stated does not really put you in front of their standards.

And explanations have no effect on this girl.

Cheers

 

[Wolff]

Can someone point me to this thread?

 

[Kushantaiidan]

Originally posted by metalmancpa
Wow.

You know me - I will try not offend anyone - or pick sides. But the more I read - I truely am baffled at how someone can be so "in your face" yet try so hard not to admit it.

These last few days have really proven how so very hard it is to type your point. Either people don't take the time to read and interpet the others message - or just don't have any intention of openly discussing a topic.

Name-calling : if there is anything that makes me think twice about someone - it's when the discussion is lowered to an exchange of pointing fingers and calling names. It happens on occassion here - but never as much as what I've read that's been posted over the past few days. I would say practically everybody who has been here in a consistent manner has something to say - we may fall once in a while an let emotion run us over, but it usually subsides.

My wife hates the internet - she hates pornography and it's freedom on the internet, she hates chat rooms, and the dangers that lurk in them (you know - the stories the media says about abductions due to people meeting over the internet) : and her points are valid. How many flippin' times do I say this place is different? Some may dispute me, and say this is like everywhere else on the internet - but most know what I am talking about. I get a little bothered when the "mainstream" internet infiltrates this place in a big way. It's going to happen - but when it gets to an extreme level, and stays constant - it really brings this place down. We compare Opeth to mainstream bands, and to us, Opeth wins. I compare this messageboard to the "mainstream" internet, and this place wins. Why do people have to be so childish and naive. I don't care if you're 14, 20, or 40. Can't people find that part of them that can reason, discuss, and keep a cool head? Everybody has it in them - it just seems some don't know how to control it.

Well - I've read a lot of the posts over the past few days - and there has been quite a bit of finger pointing and name calling. I would say gro up, but that's not fair to say if you're 14 or so. Just because I'm 41 doesn't give me the right to think my age puts me at a different level than people half my age. All I ask is for people to let the good side of your human traits show here - not this egotistical "I'm the best" and "I'm always right" attitude.

Cooler heads should prevail.

I feel bad now.

Anyway, the truth is, and it's the truth, jannet caused this whole problem, and others, including myself, kept it a problem.

But jannet did strike first.

Anyway.. bleh..

 

[Jannet]

Originally posted by Lina
Thank you for re-posting that entire conversation, Jannet. For the last day or two, I've been plagued with worries that maybe I actually did say something offensive or irrational. But now I see that I didn't.

Ok..what do you call this:

Originally posted by Jannet
And it's really hard to not be there for your kids when you have to have two jobs to make ends meet! Do you have any idea how much daycare costs these days? Lots of money. In addition to all the bills of the house, food, rent/mortgage, entertainment, sports, etc?

Lina: Exactly. So why did you have a child when you weren't financially secure? I recall you saying you were on welfare. Where's all this common sense you claim to have?

********From my comment you responded with this. How did you get: "why did you have a child when you weren't financially secure" from "it takes a lot of money to take care of kids"? Also, you inferred from the fact that I was on welfare that I was lacking common sense: "Where's all this common sense you claim to have?" Not ONCE did I attack you or make assumptions about your character and the like. I did not start this. You decided to respond to my comment: I had posted this, speaking to Misanthrope.

Originally posted by Jannet
How do hell do you know I wasn't financially secure when I had my child? You have no idea when I needed the assistance (1 year, 2 years, 3 years later, hmm?). You have no idea what my current living situation was.

Lina: I think your son is 8, correct? And seeing as how you're 31 now (right?), and you've just recently achieved financial security (I believe you said this), I'm assuming your child and your welfare payments overlapped at some point. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. At any rate, even if you weren't on welfare when you had him, you obviously weren't financially secure. So why did you have him? Did you think it was your right to have a child? Did you think you could raise him on "unconditional love"? Don't laud parents who work two jobs to feed their children. They shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them. And no, simply clothing and feeding them does not a parent make.

**************#1, you don't read. You got my son's age wrong, and my age wrong. And when did I say "recently"? Next, you ASSUME my child and welfare payments overlap. You state that I was OBVIOUSLY financially insecure, and question my choice to have him. Then you ask me "do you think it was my right to have a child? And I wasn't lauding any parent that has two jobs to feed their kids: I was simply stating a fact of life: sometimes it takes two jobs to pay the bills and take care of your kids. Two jobs = sometimes 1 parent has a job each or 1 parent has both. I agree that if parents CANNOT afford children they shouldn't have them. But that doesn't negate the fact that many parents have to have two incomes to give their children a decent life.

Originally posted by Jannet
Where does common sense play in your argument? Are you saying that a person on welfare doesn't have common sense?

Lina: Yes.

************You are saying that a person on welfare doesn't have common sense!!!! Why???? I stated over and over and over again that I was on welfare FOR A SHORT TIME because I needed the assistance at that particular point in my life. Where at any point did I lack common sense? And you are grouping all the welfare recipients as people who don't have common sense. This is just ignorance at work.

Originally posted by Jannet
Not all parents are financially secure when they have a child. Unexpected expenses can come up (even middle class/rich people may have this problem - think 2nd mortgage?) And there are parents that are financially secure when they have the child but because of unexpected things that happen can become financially insecure AFTER they have the kid.

Lina: Yes, all of this is true. But it's not your story, is it?

**********Again, You made an assumption "BUT IT'S NOT YOUR STORY, IS IT?" I made it quite clear - again - that I was on welfare for a short time because I needed it at that time (why WOULDN'T you think that the reason why I needed it was that something unexpected happened to me AFTER I had my child?).

Originally posted by Jannet
Really? How you figure this? Why would you think I wasn't financially secure when I had him? I would like to know...

Lina: Let's see, you've told us that you've had some very hard times financially in your adult life. You struggled to provide for your child. You are finally in a good job (which I take to mean you've had lots of shitty jobs). And you have yet to explain otherwise. So just admit that you weren't financially ready to have a child. Then again, we probably have different definitions of "financially ready," since you strike me as the type that probably doesn't have a college fund set up for him yet.

*********You assume that I had shitty jobs before my great one, the one I'm truly happy with. Why? I had plenty of jobs before my GREAT one (the one that I'm planning to retire in). Before this job that I have now, I was a copy editor at Reader's Digest - before that, I was an administrative assistant at a Limo company. Do you call those jobs shitty? They paid me over $38,000 a year (not including bonuses, vacation, benefits. But I wasn't happy with them. I decided to go back to college to gain more skills and better paying jobs - and a job I was truly happy with. It just so happens that I took the opportunity while I was on welfare to go to college. It doesn't mean that if I hadn't been on welfare I wouldn't have gone to school. YOU MADE ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS, not me. You assumed the most negative things about me, not me about you. And you expect me not to defend myself?

Originally posted by Jannet

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Yes, all of this is true. But it's not your story, is it? And it doesn't negate the fact that someone in forseeable dire financial straits shouldn't have kids.
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Why would you think it's not my story? I would like to know. And no, it doesn't negate the forseeable dire financial straits, that's why I said "UNEXPECTED."

Lina: You somehow always manage to mangle everything everyone says. I'm not talking about negating the financial straits -- I'm saying unexpected financial upset suffered by some upper-class family doesn't negate the fact that people on (or close to being on) welfare shouldn't have children.

Sheesh. I think your plan of attack here is to exasperate people into not arguing with you.

********This is interesting. With all the assumptions you made of my character, you have the absolute audacity to claim that I'm exasperating you into not arguing with me. Not ONCE have I assumed anything about your character. NOT ONCE. Also read:

"And it doesn't negate the fact that someone in forseeable dire financial straits shouldn't have kids."
and:
"I'm saying unexpected financial upset suffered by some upper-class family doesn't negate the fact that people on (or close to being on) welfare shouldn't have children."

These are two different things. Let's look at them together shall we?

"someone in FORSEEABLE dire financial straits shouldn't have kids"
"people on (or close to being on) welfare shouldn't have children"

So according to you - people who are in forseeable, on, or close to being on welfare shouldn't have kids. So, um, who can have kids to you? I know! Someone who is so perfectly financially ready that they will NEVER have financial problems, EVER.

Originally posted by Jannet
No Lina. I haven't tried to attack anyone. You've implied that I'm some lacking common sense welfare has-been that doesn't give a shit about her kid (i.e., "since you strike me as the type that probably doesn't have a college fund set up for him yet"). How dare you?

Lina: Well, have you set up a fund? I'm not saying you're an awful parent, just not an ideal parent. And I wouldn't be saying anything at all if you didn't go around yapping like you're fucking brilliant.

****************again, may I repeat what you said: "I'm not saying you're an awful parent, just not an ideal parent." AND "since you strike me as the type that probably doesn't have a college fund set up for him yet"

Not one direct attack, but TWO. You are saying "JANNET IS NOT AN IDEAL PARENT. JANNET IS NOT THE TYPE TO HAVE A COLLEGE FUND FOR HER KID." And as I posted elsewhere, since you are soooo interested in knowing, this is what I have:

*college fund
*2 checking accounts (one is being closed soon because this bastard charges me ridiculous fees on checks, and monthly maintenance fees)
*one savings account accruing 3.60% interest (ING Direct, I recommend to ANYONE)
*401 K plan with allocations in 5 different fund familys (each family has 10 or more companies)
*life insurance (in case of my death)
*I value love, family (as you can tell by the abortion thread), life, community.

: I didn't want to be on welfare, but I had no choice! I was on for about 7 months, and that's it! I took the opportunity to go to college at this time and worked on my education!

Lina: I commend you for going to college, I really do. You got your life together, and for that you should be congratulated.

***********Hehehe..you commend me for going to college? Why? Because I was a WELFARE RECIPIENT? You are judging me by this minor detail of my life. EVERYONE should go to college. If not to improve skills, to gain knowledge and expand the mind. You make it seem as if I was an alcoholic who just cleaned up her act. Sheesh!

I didn't have a parent that had any college fund ready for me, so I had to struggle and bust my ass to get what I wanted!

Lina: And yet, you're repeating the same mistakes your parents made. And you still don't see the correlation. What a shame, the cycle shall continue.

*********THIS IS A BLATANT ASSUMPTION. Where is the evidence that I'm repeating the same mistakes my parents made? Because you ASSUMED I didn't have anything ready for my son. ASSUMPTIONS. ASSUMPTIONS. ASSUMPTIONS. And you expect me not to respond to them? Hehehe..come on.

This is all it's been. One big fucking argument with three separate people. I don't WANT to argue.

Lina: And what (or who) has been the common denominator of these fights?

***********The common denominator is me, since I am the same person with three different people. But who started this particular argument? YOU. YOU STARTED IT BY MAKING AN ASSUMPTION TO SOMETHING I POSTED DIRECTED TO MISANTHROPE. YOU CONTINUED IT BY POSTING REPEATED CHARACTER SLANDERS. I wasn't even talking to you! YOU CONTINUED IT BY MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT MY CHARACTER.

If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Opet]

Blabbadee blabbadee blahhh...

Ya know why you don't remember where I got that quote of yours, because you've been ranting and raving constantly for a week now. If I said as much as you did, I wouldn't remember neither. No matter. It's out there, I'm not going to search for it I thought you'd remember throwing in Lina's face repeatedly.

What's up with bums in the streets? Did they decline the welfare? Oh right...you have to drag a child into the welfare lifestyle to qualify. Is that right?

Pull me down again,
And guide me into pain.

 

[Belial]

Originally posted by Sullen Jester
Wise words, sir, wise words.

I'd like to think that I've had time to cool down, sitting in my room listening to Darkane, and creating HTML disasterpieces.

While I nearly agree with you 100%, I must say that Lina is right:

Jannet is ridiculously touché.

When people say something, and she thinks it insulting, she makes her rebuke, and insults them back.

I'm not saying she shouldn't defend herself (logically and reasonably), I'm saying that retaliating in the same fashion as stated does not really put you in front of their standards.

And explanations have no effect on this girl.

Cheers

He has a very good point.

 

[Jannet]

When people say something, and she thinks it insulting, she makes her rebuke, and insults them back.

Bullshit. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT.

The only one I did that too was Belial, that's it. All the others insulted me, and I pointed the fact out, and was ignored. My entire posts were me defending myself, or trying to explain a point.

Someone, please post an insulting post that I made to someone, besides Kush (who insulted me first by showing me that stretched anus picture), and Belial (who I already apologized to, and he was the last argument that I had had). Anything towards Misanthrope was asked for, since he thought it was real funny to say "you should have been aborted, why don't you put your son in chocolate, there's a market for that" or some such nonsense. Perhaps I should post the conversation. No, I'd rather not, it'll be ignored anyway.

****can someone point out to me when I was, at least once, insulting to Lina in this conversation? Anyone?

 

[Wolff]

Didn't you call Clarissa a stupid cunt?

 

[Jannet]

That was a mistake. She did not insult me and I misread her post. I already apologized for that.

This was when I was already fed up with the slander, epithets, the 6 or 10 threads dedicated to me. I snapped.

*I'm going to go see how many threads were actually made about me...I'll be right back......

 

[Wolff]

Motion to include the grievious harm you caused to Clarissa on the record.



Drop it. Who fucking cares. You're the bitch of the forum until the next newbie. Either that or donate some more money to Mark

 

[Jannet]

I'm just amazed at my popularity, but it's even more amazing grouping every single thread about me:

POLL: Head to Head: Jannet vs. L-Shaped Tetris Block
Okay... Who is Jannet and what did she do?
What is the purpose of an argument?
Jannet's influence on the forum.
What the fuck is all this "Jannet" shit?
Clarissa vs. Jannet: The battle of Cunts
List of people who shouldn't have posted on the Opeth forum today
Jannet, this is too much.
Jannet, Leave
Let's all laugh @ Jannet
Jannet.
Jannet, STOP.
new name for forum......
Get this..

Wow, 15 threads..amazing, huh? And that's so far..

I'm dropping it, I dropped it yesterday. What I'm going to do is stop replying to messages that are negative about me/my character, etc. That's it. Case closed.

 

[Wolff]

Originally posted by Jannet
I'm dropping it, I dropped it yesterday. What I'm going to do is stop replying to messages that are negative about me/my character, etc. That's it. Case closed.

That'll be awesome.

 

[Misanthrope]

Sometimes when i see all this jannet crap i feel like jumping up and down like Bart Simpson to get atention
Kinda what she does isnt it? i pity da fool who is her kid.

 

[Jannet]

I pity YOU as a fool....get OFF it already, or do you have penis disfunction? GET - OFF - IT...Or in for-better-misanthrope-reading-comprehension: GIT OFF EAT!