Ghosts

[Neith]

i'm not talking about people forgeting where they've put stuff and then thinking a ghost moved it or thinkink that they've turned an oven off and then thinking that a ghost turned it back on when it was never turned off to begin with...i'm talking about people actually seeing the ghost moving stuff like knives and carving words into the stomachs of the people that the don't like i've actually seen ghosts carving cryptic words into wooden doors

Well that's why I mentioned the demon thing. I'm not saying it's true but I don't really believe or disbelieve in ghosts so it's just as plausible as saying that ghosts do those things. And why would the spirit of a dead person even bother walking around a room with a knive anyway?

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

Did you know, that there is a place in America, where a bus full of kids got killed when their bus stalled on some tracks. And that if you put somekind of powder on your bumper, and stop on the tracks, put your car/truck/van in neutral, and your car will start moving on its own, leaving hand prints of little children on your bumper?

you know there's actually a lot of places similar to this in america where driving across railroad tracks at a certain spot and under certain conditions will leave hand prints on your car because the ghosts of dead people are trying to push your car off the train tracks to save your life

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

Did you realize that the presence of a ghost is actually measureable?

And I find the Condecending tone in some of your posts to be nothing more then you flexing your ego through opinions.

So what if you have never had experiences with apparitions. It doesn't mean that they do not exist. And I also find that you have no knowledge of this subject yet post like you know for a fact that it isn't real.

Its almost like saying Japan doesn't exist simply because you have never been there. But if people say they have been there, can tell you stories about being there, you will still not believe them simply because you don't believe it exists.

It wasn't to long ago that scientists believed that the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. As with anything. The more you learn the more you should realize that you know nothing.

How does that quote go? "The fool thinks he's a wise man where the wise man knows he's a fool"

I know this. And as far as I know (and i admit I havent really studied this subject) there has never been any CREDIBLE evidence that ghosts exist. I simply mean, there has never been any measured findings that prove that ghosts are real. those tv shows on the sci-fi channel at midnight, hosted by infomercial anchormen doesnt give credibility to the claim that building x or house y is haunted. It's all imaginary. Prove me wrong, and dont say "ive seen a ghost, so theres your proof." I want scientific evidence from a credible source, not some wanker who writes a "report" and posts it on the internet.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

My point is that I actually reaseached this subject as well, so I have a better understanding of what may be going on.

Did you know, that there is a place in America, where a bus full of kids got killed when their bus stalled on some tracks. And that if you put somekind of powder on your bumper, and stop on the tracks, put your car/truck/van in neutral, and your car will start moving on its own, leaving hand prints of little children on your bumper?

Now explain that, hard physical evidence, on imagination. Or what about the whole poltergist phenomia, where objects move, or actually fly across a room without anyone touching them?

there is a place in my town we used to call "devil's hill." it's a slight decline in the ground after about ten yards of flat surface. if you park your car halfway down the decline (its maybe a 15/20 degree angle) and put it in neutral your car will remain where it is instead of moving forward. for years people thought ghosts were holding the car in place or some form of paranormal activity was happening because no one could explain it. so, about 10 years ago they called in this team from the state to investigate it. they were scientists and physicists and whatnot. they found that there is some rare occurance in the earth's gravity field that was holding the car in place. something to do with the angle of the car, the ground, the gravitational force and the weight of the car etc etc. they explained it in some scientific bullshit that i cant remember right now, but i can go see if i still have the newspaper article (i cut it and saved it at the time, i think).

so my point is that just because something weird happens, it doesnt mean people have to jump to a conclusion that it's "ghosts" or aliens or something. most everything can be explained...

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

Well that's why I mentioned the demon thing. I'm not saying it's true but I don't really believe or disbelieve in ghosts so it's just as plausible as saying that ghosts do those things. And why would the spirit of a dead person even bother walking around a room with a knive anyway?

i'm not a christian because christianity is nothing more than a wheelchair for crippled minds i believe in ghosts because (if you'd bothered to reasearch it) ghosts aren't just the spirits of random people in random places, most of the time a ghost hunter will be able to identify the specific dead person whose ghost they are looking at

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

so my point is that just because something weird happens, it doesnt mean people have to jump to a conclusion that it's "ghosts" or aliens or something. most everything can be explained...

okay, sure some things can be "explained" but to say "most" things can be explained, is just stupid
i've seen ghosts move knives to carve their names into doors and i'm not gonna believe some bullshit about it being a "demon"

 

[Heavenscent]

It wasn't to long ago that scientists believed that the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. As with anything. The more you learn the more you should realize that you know nothing.

A very common misconception about the middle ages: People thought the earth was flat. THEY DID NOT.
It was all made up in the renaissance to make the dark ages more retarded, while actually there is something as a renaissance in the middle ages. People weren't totally ignorant of science then. We like to think they were.
Just because everyone has said it for about 400 years doesn't make it true.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

okay, sure some things can be "explained" but to say "most" things can be explained, is just stupid
i've seen ghosts move knives to carve their names into doors and i'm not gonna believe some bullshit about it being a "demon"

what? you just said that "saying most things can be explained is stupid" but then you say "i've seen ghosts move knives to carve their names into doors and i'm not gonna believe some bullshit about it being a "demon."

then if you've seen ghosts do this, but you dont belive it was a ghost or demon...what do you believe? can you be more clear?

 

[derek]

My point is: Just because we cannot understand phenomena gives us absolutley no logical basis to come to the conclusion it was ghosts or aliens.

Due to the poverty of our imaginations such wacky theories always get brought up, with almost no basis. I fully embrace a spiritual world, one beyond our capabilities to comprehend, and see no reason to jump (falliciously) to concluding it was ghosts or aliens.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

My point is: Just because we cannot understand phenomena gives us absolutley no logical basis to come to the conclusion it was ghosts or aliens.

my point, too.

 

[speed]

Did you realize that the presence of a ghost is actually measureable?

And I find the Condecending tone in some of your posts to be nothing more then you flexing your ego through opinions.

So what if you have never had experiences with apparitions. It doesn't mean that they do not exist. And I also find that you have no knowledge of this subject yet post like you know for a fact that it isn't real.

Its almost like saying Japan doesn't exist simply because you have never been there. But if people say they have been there, can tell you stories about being there, you will still not believe them simply because you don't believe it exists.

It wasn't to long ago that scientists believed that the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. As with anything. The more you learn the more you should realize that you know nothing.

How does that quote go? "The fool thinks he's a wise man where the wise man knows he's a fool"

I'm sorry, but you and Lord Red Dragon are coming up with Weekly World News type stories and theories, and I for one, cant help but laugh when I read them.

Ive yet to read a single piece of conclusive evidence; and this seems shocking to me with the preponderance of picture taking cell-phones, and persons obsessed with UFO's and Ghosts.Yet, believers rely on shreds of myserious evidence, the same way Sicilian peasents belive in God, because Padre Pio, supposedly had the stigmata

 

[Neith]

i'm not a christian because christianity is nothing more than a wheelchair for crippled minds i believe in ghosts because (if you'd bothered to reasearch it) ghosts aren't just the spirits of random people in random places, most of the time a ghost hunter will be able to identify the specific dead person whose ghost they are looking at

Some say that the bible is purely fictitious and this seems to be what you think. Now, there are some non-religious scientists who believe that it was not a meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs. They also believe that they have proof that there was a 'water canopy' surrounding the earth which provided the earth with moisture, at the same time preventing rainfall. They also believe that something happened to put an end to this water canopy and that the world became flooded. Archaeologists also believe that they found parts of Noah's Ark on mount Ararat (which is in Turkey). Another non religious archaeologist used the bible as instructions to find Hezekiah's Tunnel which is mentioned in the bible. He found it. Therefore, the bible is not purely fictitious. Needless to say, some scientists say that it is not true and that a meteor did hit the earth and so on. Therefore there are conflicting opinions on this, and evidence to prove either point. The same can be said for ghost theories and so on. One side is right but it isn't possible at the moment to say which is.
You dismiss christanity, and thus the bible, as false, despite evidence to the contrary, which is the same as people dismissing the reality as ghosts as fictitious despite evidence to the contrary.
Not only this, but I am willing to bet that you have not fully studied every branch of christianity, regardless you dismiss it all as false. Yet you criticise anyone who does not share your opinion on ghosts theories and UFO's.

The posibility of it being some kind of demon is just as plausible as it being a ghost, no matter what I think of either one.

 

[Silver Incubus]

I'm sorry, but you and Lord Red Dragon are coming up with Weekly World News type stories and theories, and I for one, cant help but laugh when I read them.

Ive yet to read a single piece of conclusive evidence; and this seems shocking to me with the preponderance of picture taking cell-phones, and persons obsessed with UFO's and Ghosts.Yet, believers rely on shreds of myserious evidence, the same way Sicilian peasents belive in God, because Padre Pio, supposedly had the stigmata

Seriously, you are not adding to this thread so stop posting in it.

 

[Silver Incubus]

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa031201c.htm

 

[speed]

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa031201c.htm

Seriously, is this the best evidence you've got?

 

[Neith]

It looks like a girl sat on a wall, who somebody photoshopped into the picture, changing her colour at the same time. Photo's often aren't reliable, like many of the ones which apparently captured the Loch Ness monster. Many are fakes.

 

[derek]

Seriously, you are not adding to this thread so stop posting in it.

So much of this thread is nonsense, I'm not entirely sure why anyone is continuing to post in it.

Ghosts are a matter of belief, where you are ready to make logical leaps based upon faith. That does not add up, to me at least.

 

[Silver Incubus]

http://ghoststudy.com/ghostit.ram

 

[derek]

Yeah, there does seem to be something to it. I'm reluctant to call it "ghosts", though.

 

[Silver Incubus]

Well ultimately, if you want to try and get a first hand experience, find a place near you that is very well known for ghost activity, go there, and see what happens. Really, I don't know any other ways to try and show you. Pics, video can really only do so much. Peoples testimony, as well, but besides all of those things, what else as evidence can you really present?