Ghosts

[Pitiless Wanderer]

hahahaha are those fucking pictures really going to make up someone's mind that GHOSTS are real? give me a fucking break. this is 2006. jesus fucking christ.

 

[Silver Incubus]

Seriously, is this the best evidence you've got?

Did you read the whole acticle, or just look at the pic and think, ummm photoshop duh?

Well that's easy to definatly say, but I don't see you proving me wrong either.

We can't see micro, ultraviolet, infared waves and a whole host of other things we can not actually sense with our natural senses, yet we still believe they are there because of the measurments and test done by people. GHost create a displacement in electromagnitivity and sometimes even temperature change. Things that can be measured.

 

[derek]

I'm pretty damn sceptical. I believe in understanding beyond ours though, and I just happen to think what people wish to call "ghosts" are actually just something we cannot explain.

However, many of those photographs do looked faked.

 

[Silver Incubus]

hahahaha are those fucking pictures really going to make up someone's mind that GHOSTS are real? give me a fucking break. this is 2006. jesus fucking christ.

You do realize that in each of those pictures those things were not actually seen until the photographs were looked at. IE, you can't see it in real time.

 

[derek]

You do realize that in each of those pictures those things were not actually seen until the photographs were looked at. IE, you can't see it in real time.

That does not really help much? Camera's only capture the visual spectrum, ergo if a camera can see it, why can't the human eye?

 

[Silver Incubus]

That does not really help much? Camera's only capture the visual spectrum, ergo if a camera can see it, why can't the human eye?

Well to be honest, I don't know how cameras actually work, so I really can't answer that question. Maybe it's the flash, which illuminates the energy, or possibly it captures the electomagnetic properties. I don't know why or even how, but it happens.

It is actually possible to train your mind to see electromagnetic energies of living things more commonly known as Aura's. Which could definately explain why some people can see ghosts. But if it was totally a mental thing, then how come there are always 'orbs' of light in graveyard pictures, which seems to be either spiritual energy or something which may not be definable with our current understanding of the universe.

If something is vibrating at a higher freqency then it would definately be impossible for our eyes to see it, but if said vibrations slow down, even for an instant, it maybe possible to see glimpses of such things. And based on what we understand of energy and its properites, the faster something vibrates the less of a bond it has with a solid form.

 

[speed]

Did you read the whole acticle, or just look at the pic and think, ummm photoshop duh?

Well that's easy to definatly say, but I don't see you proving me wrong either.

We can't see micro, ultraviolet, infared waves and a whole host of other things we can not actually sense with our natural senses, yet we still believe they are there because of the measurments and test done by people. GHost create a displacement in electromagnitivity and sometimes even temperature change. Things that can be measured.

Well I have to state, I am becoming rather unnerved by a certain thread, thus making me even more skeptical than usual.

Fine, you have some evidence that may or may not be true. I choose to not accept it; you choose to believe it: we agree to disagree I hope.

This is almost a religious argument, as even your acceptance of certain ides is based on faith, and my denial, is based on a skeptical faith in science.

 

[derek]

Well to be honest, I don't know how cameras actually work, so I really can't answer that question. Maybe it's the flash, which illuminates the energy, or possibly it captures the electomagnetic properties. I don't know why or even how, but it happens.

It is actually possible to train your mind to see electromagnetic energies of living things more commonly known as Aura's. Which could definately explain why some people can see ghosts. But if it was totally a mental thing, then how come there are always 'orbs' of light in graveyard pictures, which seems to be either spiritual energy or something which may not be definable with our current understanding of the universe.

See by ghosts, do you mean spiritual entities are the ghosts of dead people?

I've meditated for almost a decade, so I can appreciate the fact that training the mind allows the senses to experience different things.

 

[Silver Incubus]

Well I have to state, I am becoming rather unnerved by a certain thread, thus making me even more skeptical than usual.

Fine, you have some evidence that may or may not be true. I choose to not accept it; you choose to believe it: we agree to disagree I hope.

This is almost a religious argument, as even your acceptance of certain ides is based on faith, and my denial, is based on a skeptical faith in science.

No, not faith, experience. There is a difference. One is blind where the other is not.

Oh and yes
we agree to disagree I hope

 

[derek]

No, not faith, experience. There is a difference. One is blind where the other is not.

Oh and yes
we agree to disagree I hope

The experience, to me, would probably register as some freak turn of weather, a blotch in my eye-sight or light playing tricks on my fragile perception. So perhaps there is an element of faith to believe it is a ghost.

 

[Silver Incubus]

See by ghosts, do you mean spiritual entities are the ghosts of dead people?

I've meditated for almost a decade, so I can appreciate the fact that training the mind allows the senses to experience different things.

Im not entirely sure what Exactly they are. Nor what they are comprised of, or even how they are perceived by people who see them. They could be the energy remains of dead people. More commonly believed to be spirits that are earth bound, and cannot leave the place they are at because of a traumatic event. The majority of hautings reported deal with murders, or even accedental deaths where the person may not realize they are dead. Sometimes they just want to have what happened to them know before they move on(to where i have no clue).None of this is something I can back up with any tangleble proof, or even be convincing to myself. But there seems to be a lot of places around the world where ghost sightings and murder are connected.

Hollywood makes movies like the sixth sense and they try to put pictures to what some people believe. But movies are fiction and I do realize that.

 

[Silver Incubus]

The experience, to me, would probably register as some freak turn of weather, a blotch in my eye-sight or light playing tricks on my fragile perception. So perhaps there is an element of faith to believe it is a ghost.

So your telling me that if you and another person see a figure 5 feet from you, when the room grows instantly cold, that its weather, blotch in your eye-sight, or light playing tricks?

 

[derek]

So your telling me that if you and another person see a figure 5 feet from you, when the room grows instantly cold, that its weather, blotch in your eye-sight, or light playing tricks?

I'm just saying I'd be less likely to jump to the conclusion it was a ghost.

Are you familiar with the underground city tours in Edinburgh? There is an area there famous for ghosts, and people who visit nearly always feel some sort of presence. I only ask if folks are ready to jump to conclusions too readily.

 

[AsModEe]

It is actually possible to train your mind to see electromagnetic energies of living things more commonly known as Aura's. Which could definately explain why some people can see ghosts. But if it was totally a mental thing, then how come there are always 'orbs' of light in graveyard pictures, which seems to be either spiritual energy or something which may not be definable with our current understanding of the universe.

These "orbs" of light you're talking about in graveyards are the results of phosphore coming out from decaying bodies... and as you know it, phosphore glows during the night. In the middle age, you would know someone was burried in the road when you could see a glowing green light above a certain spot (phosphore again)... of course, people at that time were freaking scared of it and thought they were ghost.

See??? Another mystery solved.

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

Some say that the bible is purely fictitious and this seems to be what you think. Now, there are some non-religious scientists who believe that it was not a meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs. They also believe that they have proof that there was a 'water canopy' surrounding the earth which provided the earth with moisture, at the same time preventing rainfall. They also believe that something happened to put an end to this water canopy and that the world became flooded. Archaeologists also believe that they found parts of Noah's Ark on mount Ararat (which is in Turkey). Another non religious archaeologist used the bible as instructions to find Hezekiah's Tunnel which is mentioned in the bible. He found it. Therefore, the bible is not purely fictitious. Needless to say, some scientists say that it is not true and that a meteor did hit the earth and so on. Therefore there are conflicting opinions on this, and evidence to prove either point. The same can be said for ghost theories and so on. One side is right but it isn't possible at the moment to say which is.
You dismiss christanity, and thus the bible, as false, despite evidence to the contrary, which is the same as people dismissing the reality as ghosts as fictitious despite evidence to the contrary.
Not only this, but I am willing to bet that you have not fully studied every branch of christianity, regardless you dismiss it all as false. Yet you criticise anyone who does not share your opinion on ghosts theories and UFO's.

The posibility of it being some kind of demon is just as plausible as it being a ghost, no matter what I think of either one.

i never flat-out said all of the bible was fake, i said most of it was either fake or exaggeration and that "demons" are really deities that are equal to or greater than "God" and having said that, it becomes clearly obvious that these so-called "demons really don't giva a shit about Earthlings

 

[LORD_RED_DRAGON]

Seriously, you are not adding to this thread so stop posting in it.

i was totally thinking the same thing but i just didn't want to be the first person to say it

 

[Silver Incubus]

These "orbs" of light you're talking about in graveyards are the results of phosphore coming out from decaying bodies... and as you know it, phosphore glows during the night. In the middle age, you would know someone was burried in the road when you could see a glowing green light above a certain spot (phosphore again)... of course, people at that time were freaking scared of it and thought they were ghost.

See??? Another mystery solved.

When was the last time you went to a funeral. They bury people in sealed boxes dug out of the ground. Well at least they do here.

 

[Silver Incubus]

I'm just saying I'd be less likely to jump to the conclusion it was a ghost.

Are you familiar with the underground city tours in Edinburgh? There is an area there famous for ghosts, and people who visit nearly always feel some sort of presence. I only ask if folks are ready to jump to conclusions too readily.

I have heard of similar things from the dungeons of London, and the Towers of London or whatever they are called. Well I would suggest going and not expecting anything and see what happens. Make it sort of an experiment.

 

[AsModEe]

When was the last time you went to a funeral. They bury people in sealed boxes dug out of the ground. Well at least they do here.

you underestimate gases

 

[Silver Incubus]

you underestimate gases

Well anyways, I was refering to pictures of things you can't see when you take the picture but they show up on the picture. And yes some times it is light reflection, or dust or something in the air, but when they are not, is when you start to wonder what it could be, especially when they move(with camera's taking regular intervals of pics) and you notice that they are moving around type of thing, but yet to the naked eye you don't see anything.

Even having 1 experience with something like this greatly changes your perspective on many different things.