Growling tips?

you really need to manage how much air comes out, because you have a little hole(called the glottis) that the air comes out of when you talk/sing/scream/growl/etc, and if you have too much air coming through that little space, it fucks up your voice. You also have something called the false vocal chords (which I myself need to read more about) that some people use completely instead of their normal vocal chords.
 
This thread really helped me. I took singing lessons a few years back, and learned how to refract my something-or-other and how to constrict it. Constricting it gives a real good rock n roll sound, but it kinda starts to hurt after a while. Especially if you use it to try and growl. I tried growling from the stomach, whilst refracting my whosits and now I can growl for ages and it doesnt even hurt! I need to work on volume and distortion levels now....
 
Hmm volume shouldn't be an issue. I've performed a few Opeth covers with my friend's band as they can't growl. Basically, as everyone has been saying, your growls aren't much louder than a normal speaking volume. The actual volume comes from the mic and amp/p.a whatever. Don't try to be too loud, you'll hurt your vocal chords and you won't get the right type of distortion you want.
 
hm wierd. when I sing/ growl it's like five times my speaking volume.

Maybe that's whats wrong, because I've been having problems going on through five songs, but I just thought it was because I couldn't be fucked with warming up. which is just plain stupid. :erk:

I'l probably sing lower once I get a cable for my mic so that I can actually plug it into my amp. It shall be most awesome.
 
Umdebaba's Unofficial Guide to Growling

The 'magic technique' you hear being thrown around in the talks of growling actually refers to a technique in actual singing called the diaphragm push. It is also referred to as "growling for your gut" or "growling from your stomach". What you want to do is first develop your lungs. Let me give an example of an exercise that will help you develop your lungs. NEVER BREATHE IN THROUGH YOUR NOSE.
Ex. 1 -
Open your mouth into the shape of an O. Keep your throat open and relaxed. You should not feel tension in your throat during this exercise. Place your hand in front of the opening of your mouth. Position your parallel to your face as if you were about to judo chop your nose with the index finger side of your hand. Bring your hand closer to your face and make sure there is contact between your face and hand. Breathe in slowly but taking in air as much air as you can at a steady rate. NEVER BREATHE IN THROUGH YOUR NOSE. Your chest should not come out. When you are taking in air your stomach area should come out and your shoulders should not rise. If you feel pain you are doing it wrong. Now extend your arm away from you with your palm facing you and your palm should be in a straight line and same level from your mouth. Blow out all your air. If you do not feel the air hitting your palm you are not blowing out hard enough. After you get this slow proceed to doing it faster. It would help to do this in counts. In for 4 counts then out for 4 counts, Then 3/4, 2/4, 1/4. 3/3, 2/3, 1/3, 2/2, 1/2, 1/1.

Doing that exercise will increase your lung capcity and help greatly in your vocal work. Now how do you apply that to growling? Well try to growl first. Notice what your face is doing, and what your throat and body is doing. You want to keep the O shape in your mouth. Make sure your throat is relaxed and not tensed or you will not get a low sound. Make sure your body is not tense. When growling make sure your shoulders do not rise not does your chest come out. You stomach is what should push out. Now onto the diaphragm push.

Diaphragm push -
The diaphragm push is basically the combining of all these techniques. When you are growling make sure you push your stomach out and you and not using your throat to generate the sound. You should hardly feel any pain if any at all. You might feel light headed at first getting used to pushing that much air. The key is to push much as much air as you can. The more air, the bigger and fuller the sound. This is why you need to do lung exercises. Keeping your mouth in the O shape and making your throat relaxed is the key to getting a dark, rich sound. Another thing you might want to try is dropping your jaw. The closer you keep your jaw together, the more pinched and bright sound you will have. So you want to try to seperate your teeth when growling. Adjust the distance to fit how you want to sound.

When you growl make sure you growl at a volume where other people could hear it. If you can hardly hear your growls then that means you are not pushing air and need to reconsider your technique. Air blowing does not mean volume though. The more air you blow and relaxed and open your mouth is, the better sound you will attain at a good volume.

Cheers!
Umdebaba


PS: Most people including me growl at speech level. You shouldn't try to push for volume because you will try to force it and tighten up and hurt yourself even if you think you won't. Learn good technique and produce a quality sound at speech level before attempting to growl loudly, which you shouldn't do anyway.
 
Yeah but maybe kinda hard to understand? i find that if u just tilt ur face upward when singing, bout a 45 degree angle, the bass increases substantially without u even trying. Also pushing ur lips into a nipple sucking shape (sorry couldnt think of a better way to describe it haha) helps. Dont use water to lubricate ur vocals tho. U need somethin that leave a lining. Warm milk is good (never cold; tightens ur vocal chords). Also something Menthol-ly to open ur sinuses where the sound vibrates round - specially good if u got a bitchy little girl nose like me hahaha
 
Right on, DagoNZ! NEVER sing into your chest. Always try to hold your head straight up or slightly backwards. It allows your vocal chords to resonate more betterly or something.
 
umdebaba said:
PS: Most people including me growl at speech level. You shouldn't try to push for volume because you will try to force it and tighten up and hurt yourself even if you think you won't. Learn good technique and produce a quality sound at speech level before attempting to growl loudly, which you shouldn't do anyway.

ok, thanks. well I've got a very powerful voice, with some serious volume, but my stamina has gone downhill. Haven't sung in a band for three years. the volume is probably due to my singing along with records without a mic, and I sing a loud as I can to hear myself..
 
DagoNZ said:
Yeah but maybe kinda hard to understand? i find that if u just tilt ur face upward when singing, bout a 45 degree angle, the bass increases substantially without u even trying. Also pushing ur lips into a nipple sucking shape (sorry couldnt think of a better way to describe it haha) helps. Dont use water to lubricate ur vocals tho. U need somethin that leave a lining. Warm milk is good (never cold; tightens ur vocal chords). Also something Menthol-ly to open ur sinuses where the sound vibrates round - specially good if u got a bitchy little girl nose like me hahaha

Nah, I've read that you should only use water, because that's the only liquid that doesn't get degested (sp?) as a food and thus goes straight into your blood and whatnot.

Mind you, the guy who wrote that was probably talking about actual singing.
 
KjeXXXer said:
Nah, I've read that you should only use water, because that's the only liquid that doesn't get degested (sp?) as a food and thus goes straight into your blood and whatnot.

Mind you, the guy who wrote that was probably talking about actual singing.
Drinking White Russians (Kahlua, milk, vodka... I don't really need the vodka, but it's not a real White Russian without it) helps me to growl better, but I dont want to be dependent on it. I know Mike drinks that too, but I don't think he does it for vocals.
 
KjeXXXer said:
Nah, I've read that you should only use water, because that's the only liquid that doesn't get degested (sp?) as a food and thus goes straight into your blood and whatnot.

Mind you, the guy who wrote that was probably talking about actual singing.

Dont really see what digestion has to do with growling hehe, but yeah possibly there is some technical reason why u should only use water. Speakin from personal experience though (and yes im talkin growlin not singin) i find the old H2o does more harm than good.

Also, u reeeaally need to let the mic do the work, i burnt myseltf tryin to just shout with no technique and had to pretty much reteach myself everything. A little corner cutting trick, is to completely cover the mic head and ya mouth with ur hands while growlin, this creates a little chamber which makes it distort and a lot louder, especially on shitty Shure mics. Not as pure or
enunciated as say, OPETH, but is cool for heavier shit, or at the end of a gig when ur voice is failing...
 
The diaphram shit is true.

I don't growl unless it's alcohol induced or for some "home alone headbanging" :p because I'm a chick and yeh, go figure.

But, when I alcoholgrowl it does come clear that the gut helps.

I was in choir for a bit in school so I pretty much used only my gut to make sound (actually, I can't do it any other way.) So now whenever I make any sounds it's gut! Gut gut gut! :p

So perhaps practice gut singing and then move onto growling.

I really can't think of a way to discribe how to use your gut singing though over the interwebs. :/
 
KjeXXXer said:
hey I have a question: what's a phlegm? :confused:
It's the mucus that builds up in your throat. The stuff you get when you have a cold or the flu. My throat tends to feel phlegmy after drinking orange juice, so try drinking fresh orange juice to see if you can get that similar feeling.
I read that phlegmy throat isn't actually that good for it - instead you should have a clear throat without any 'coating'. Drink some actual lemon juice and the natural acid gets rid of any of the throat's coating. I'm not talking from experience here though, just what i read. :erk:
 
Some say smoking helps them growl but it also quite ruined their clean vox.
I make sure I keep my vocal chords as moist as possible.
I also found by accident once when I woke up and had a terrible cold with snot all over my vocal chords then someone pissed me off and I yelled at him and sounded like Peter Tagtgren.

since then I learned to replace snot with spit.There are 2 adventages to this.
1. With moist vocal chords you get more powerfull growls, more easily becuase the thicker the liquid the resonance range is bigger.
2. Spit or snot or any other liquid reduce vocal chords friction signifficantly and allow you to growl longer without effort.

My advice, avoid salty foods before growling/singing and eat a rich milk chocolate bar before growling, guranteed to make your throught all wet like nyphomaniac's vagina:D.