I was just reading through this site and I come across this thread.. being a big fan of hardcore I feel obligated to reply and defend my shit..
Most of you don't know shit about hardcore.. yet you've gone and judged it anyway.. its pretty fucking clear. Yea, the old stuff is pretty simple.. but hey, thats what it was about. Today, there are a lot of bands in the 'scene' that are pretty fucking tech.. more so than a lotta metal.. download some tunes by Dillinger Escape Plan, The End, Ion Dissonance, As The Sun Sets, Crowpath, Converge, A Life Once Lost, etc... those bands are not your simple 3 chord, GO!, straight edge hardcore bands.. they have pretty complex and extreme music, complete with odd timing and jazz influences in some cases.. and they may not be true hardcore, but its definitely been an influence on them.. and they choose to be associated with that scene. The scene today has expanded so much its ridiculous.. but its a good thing.. at least I think so.. theres a lot of bands taking on a more metal sound, and there are a bunch that know how to do it. Unearth and Between The Buried and Me are pretty much metal bands, they just have sick breakdowns.. I think they're better than In Flames or Soilwork. Maybe you don't..
And to all of you saying that hardcore kids have shitty attitudes... what the fuck? You kids sit here calling them "gay", yet they're the ones who have shitty attitudes? And metal doesn't have any elitists? No way.. "DEATH TO FALSE METAL!!!" Oh no.... elitism is what turns me off of metal.. I mean yea, the hardcore scene has its flaws. Recently its been getting pretty big and now you get the "fashioncore" fucks.. but hey, what can you do. Metal has influenced nu-metal, thats worse than anything to come out of the hardcore scene.. and don't deny nu-metal's relationship with metal.. but thats for a different thread.
As for the shows and violence.. yea, if you go to tough guy shows, violence is basically it.. sweaty fucks throwing fists, brass knuckles, getting kicked in the head.. violence is almost glorified. But thats only a small corner of the hardcore scene. I don't care for tough guy, nor do I go to those shows.. they just aren't a friendly enviroment. The music is all the same too.. but theres plenty of other shit. If you go to a Bane show the atmosphere is incredible.. its all about having fun. That band is incredibly positive, and they're basically the epitome of hardcore.. if you can't get into what that band does or what they're about, you don't realy like hardcore. If you go to a hardcore show you'll get stage diving, dancing, headwalking, sing-alongs, whatever.. its just about going out and having fun.. and yes, good music. The dancing may seem violent, and I actually hated it at first... but now I have fun with it and its not really that violent. Yea, kids get carried away with it and just attack people sometimes.. but I've been to plenty of metal shows and theres always the sweaty fat drunks beating up on people. So don't think metal is flawless either.. and the dancing actually has a lot more to it than spazzing out and throwing fists.. it originated with moves like stomping and floor punching and it just evolved.. windmilling, now kids kick, cartwheel, I've seen flips... its just a release and again, having fun. But it actually does take some coordinance and an idea of what you're doing.. you can always tell when a kids trying it for the first time. Its not about hitting people.. I've been to shows where I've danced for almost a bands whole set and never been hit. To me, metal jock-moshing is retarded.. there is nothing stupider and more annoying to me, but hey, different strokes for different folks.
And straight edge.. well, thats not for me. But for you fucks to sit here and say "its gay.. they judge everyone and hate everyone who doesnt abstain from drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and promiscuous sex" is just as close-minded as the hardline sxe kids in SLC. Don't judge a whole group on the actions of a few. Even if they choose a certain lifestyle, they're still individuals. I never judge someone based on the fact that they're a metalhead, do the same for hardcore kids or sxe kids.. or anyone.
And since SOD has been brought up.. lets all listen to United Forces and hold hands. Seriously, scene rivalry is retarded. If you respect my shit, I respect yours. Thats the way it should go. Its all underground music, hardcore and metal just have to deal with each other..
