How Much You Bench?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought isolation exercises were supposed to simply break up the monotony of doing the same exercise over & over again. Your body has a tremendous ability to plateau and get used to the same exercise day-in, day-out.

So in essence, you're working the same muscles from a different angle so that you can continue to mold, scope & shape that muscle, no?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought isolation exercises were supposed to simply break up the monotony of doing the same exercise over & over again. Your body has a tremendous ability to plateau and get used to the same exercise day-in, day-out.

So in essence, you're working the same muscles from a different angle so that you can continue to mold, scope & shape that muscle, no?
You're not completely wrong. However, there are enough compound movements to change things up regularly. Biceps are a good example. You could do concentration curls with 40 pound dumbells (as an example of a isolation movement) or standing hammer curls with 65 pound dumbells (as an example of a more compound movement). I would argue that putting your body under a greater load will create more muscle mass. Additionally, working each of your muscles in isolation, will always mean you spend more time in the gym. It's a lot easier to drag your ass to the gym for a 45 minute work out session than a 90 minute workout session. And many would argue, that in the absence of steroids, sessions beyond 45-60 minutes actually have a negative impact.

I know you recently dropped a lot of weight from diet and were looking to get started at the gym. Check out the program I posted a link towards. I've been making some nice gains on it.

Zod
 
So in essence, you're working the same muscles from a different angle so that you can continue to mold, scope & shape that muscle, no?

*shrugs* never had any interest in doing isolation and angle exercises. Tried it and found it very tedious. Don't think it makes any difference anyway.
 
quick question: when you've been lifting and you're still sore after the days off, should you still workout and lift?
 
quick question: when you've been lifting and you're still sore after the days off, should you still workout and lift?
Depends how sore you are. Keep in mind (people don't like to believe this, as it seems counter-intuitive), rest is as important to mucle growth as lifting. If your muscles aren't given proper time to recover (48 hours, minimum), they simply won't grow. As an aside, a well designed plan shouldn't have you exercising sore muscles. Almost all of the plans I've seen advocated, only hit a given muscle once per week. And even when you're just starting, a week should be enough time to get rid of the soreness.

Zod
 
So what do you guys reckon about protein shakes? Is it good stuff? Should anyone that is lifting weights be drinking that shit? Any particular brands you would recommend?
 
So what do you guys reckon about protein shakes? Is it good stuff? Should anyone that is lifting weights be drinking that shit? Any particular brands you would recommend?
DEFINITELY.

Let me clear about something, muscles grow when you're eating at a caloric surplus and you're getting enough protein (1 - 1.5 grams per pound of body weight). The mistake most people make is thinking the gym is the beginning and end of getting strong/big. Muscle growth is counter-intuitive to survival. Your body does not want to add muscle. If it does, it must sustain it. And the body doesn't naturally want to have to do more to survive. It can't guarentee the additional, required calories.

On one of the body building forums I frequent, it's quite commonly stated, "you don't grow in the gym, you grow in the kitchen and bedroom". Essentially, lifting hard in the gym merely sets in motion the necessary process for growth. However, it's proper diet and rest that allow that process to complete.

If you're looking for a quality protein, check out the link:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html

Zod
 
All shakes result in gastrointestinal distress that includes, but is not limited to, ridiculously foul-smelling gas. That's why I drink it, anyway.
 
I didn't read this thread, but all I know is that that SNL skit RULES.

Also last time I benched was about 10 years ago, 210 lbs. if I remember correctly. I was 170 lbs. then. I'm currently 225 and could probably bench like 120 lbs. if I do some breathing exercises first.
 
eating tons of protein does cause swampass. i knew a dude on the atkins diet and he would leave minefield farts everywhere
 
eating too many proteins can also cause goutys (raw translation from french, I could be wrong). But hey, I kinda lost track of this thread, now that it's back, I have some questions about it:

First: Zod, when you mention "isolation" exercices, what do you mean? I'm not familiar with the English training vocabulary, so I need to have things cleared up a bit. Is benching considered an "isolation" exercice?

Second: well, not really a question, but a comment about what you said earlier about letting your muscles rest. I agree with pretty much everything you said, especially the part where you said to train one group of muscle per week. My own program is a bit like this:
1st day: pectoral/biceps/triceps (super-7)
2nd day: back/shoulders
3rd day: legs
4th day: biceps/triceps

At each session, I do abs and I TRY to do cardio (emphasis on try cause doing cardio is so fucking boring imo, even with an ipod). With this training I never overtrain and stuff. I have some friends who are in my university's football team and they train 6-7 times a week 2-3 hours every time. Impressive.

3rd comment: about the protein shakes: I'm somewhat against it. IMO, you should try to get your proteins through your diet. I eat a lot of fish, tuna, peanut butter and such. Call this superstition, but I think protein shakes are nowhere near as good as a good diet, even though, chemically, the proteins are supposed to be the exact same molecule as the proteins we find in food. Heck, when you've done a lot of chemistry, you'll notice there is no distinction between natural molecules and synthesis molecules, they're all the same thing.

Sidenote: People who tries natural remedies coming from homeopathy are being frauded.

About creatin: I don't know if the subject was aborted, but creatin helps developping your muscles, true, but there are no researches about the long term effects of using such products, so I would suggest not to try it.

Steroids: you produce steroids naturally from cholesterol. Cool huh?