If Mort Divine ruled the world

[CiG]

I'm not the inconsistent one here, for how long now have leftists tried and often succeeded in educational monopolization, no-platforming speakers, shutting down events and groups they disagree with, now all of a sudden you care about censorship because someone wants to try and reform these classes, not remove them. Oh now Mort is criticising something he thinks is censorious? How big of you.

The point is that these classes aren't for the most part teaching alternate views of the topic, instead they're spewing propaganda, repeating unsubstantiated claims like 1 in 4 rape statistics or gender wage gap myths, how does that factor into your argument? It's indoctrination not education.

I wouldn't care if radical communism was taught, as long as it wasn't treated as a gospel truth. Those courses have been shown to not only not produce counter-arguments but they even actively discourage them.

I have a female friend who was almost expelled because she merely asked a question about gender identity and how it might relate to mental health in her gender studies class. Clearly something needs to change.

 

[Mort Divine]

I'm not criticizing it on censorious grounds. I'm asking the same question LSR is. What is even wanted? What is the goal? What is a proposed solution? If you're going to make those criticisms then identify the problem in specifics not just "ugh fucking social justice courses and professors."

 

[Matt]

CIG - have you ever been to college and taken the classes you are describing?

 

[CiG]

CIG - have you ever been to college and taken the classes you are describing?

Of course not, I learned a trade and made money instead. So what?

I'm not criticizing it on censorious grounds. I'm asking the same question LSR is. What is even wanted? What is the goal? What is a proposed solution? If you're going to make those criticisms then identify the problem in specifics not just "ugh fucking social justice courses and professors."

That's fair enough, I believe Sargon made a follow up video explaining his intentions with the petition and if I remember correctly he said he just wants the petition which features individual names to exist so people can use it in a "see, many people are against this stuff" way, I guess as a weapon or something. I didn't pay much attention when I watched it in all honesty. But it's there.

Admittedly it looks a lot more like reactionary trolling on his part, he's trying to cover his ass by saying shit like "it's essentially just a role call of disagreement."

 

[CiG]

Fundamentally I agree with this guy's criticism of Sargon's actions.

 

[Dak]

Well I don't really identify as gay anyway, not that it particularly matters but I'm more bi/pansexual. Would prefer to marry a woman who is similar. I'm honestly not sure what you're saying here though. Clarify?

tl;dr: western gay "culture" is terrible, and some gays agree. Progs don't like those gays.

re "Sargon of Akkad": stupid name. Sampled some of his youtube stuff, didn't find anything interesting.

 

[rms]

I'm not criticizing it on censorious grounds. I'm asking the same question LSR is. What is even wanted? What is the goal? What is a proposed solution? If you're going to make those criticisms then identify the problem in specifics not just "ugh fucking social justice courses and professors."

Not up to date on this petition stuff, but it seems I agree more with you on this. But it is kind of funny to hear a "SJW" or feminist on details on how they want to 'change' certain things when they literally never have a plan outside of being loud, vocal and overly offended.

PS Sargon is an idiot and people shouldn't support his commercialized opposition to random SJW's + Anita Sarkeesian anymore

 

[CiG]

My guess is this will cause a fracture in his fanbase, hopefully his popularity declines.

 

[Dak]

Socialism for dummies:

 

[Mort Divine]

Clearly is since that's what people like you take to be representative of socialism.

 

[Dak]

Clearly is since that's what people like you take to be representative of socialism.

It's actually worse than that.

 

[Mort Divine]

you're really something else

 

[CiG]

I'm interested to see you educate him on the subject.

 

[Matt]

Of course not, I learned a trade and made money instead. So what?

Fairly presumptuous on your part then wouldn't you say? You've never been to college but you're absolutely sure you know how it is and how classes are taught.

tl;dr: western gay "culture" is terrible, and some gays agree. Progs don't like those gays.

re "Sargon of Akkad": stupid name. Sampled some of his youtube stuff, didn't find anything interesting.

How exactly is western gay culture terrible? And why?

 

[rms]

Dak has a terrible sense of humor and those pictures suck mannnnnnn

 

[Dak]

Fairly presumptuous on your part then wouldn't you say? You've never been to college but you're absolutely sure you know how it is and how classes are taught.

Coincidentally today I had an impromptu discussion with some other students/grad students (brought up by a female student no less) how some professors were shoving feminism/liberalism down their student's throats in classes that weren't "Feminism/liberalism 101".

How exactly is western gay culture terrible? And why?

If you have to ask, you'll probably not see a problem with anything I'll list.

Dak has a terrible sense* of humor and those pictures suck mannnnnnn

They are supposed to illustrate certain absurdities, not win a comedy award. The hairy legs on the woman was a nice touch though.

 

[Mort Divine]

I've tried to discuss it and it's always rejected because it doesn't fit Dak's view of it.

Socialism is an economic system in which control of the means of production is owned wholly by the workers. The workers own the products of their labor, not a boss.

It entails nothing about taxation, social welfare programs, or even the nature of the state etc.

Arguments based on those are invalid because they are not necessary aspects of what socialism is.

 

[Dak]

I've tried to discuss it and it's always rejected because it doesn't fit Dak's view of it.

Socialism is an economic system in which control of the means of production is owned wholly by the workers. The workers own the products of their labor, not a boss.

It entails nothing about taxation, social welfare programs, or even the nature of the state etc.

Arguments based on those are invalid because they are not necessary aspects of what socialism is.

This is not how socialism is used anywhere except by a select few theorists and message board users. If your argument is only semantics then I will grant you that. That in no way undermines the meme. Feel free to substitute any other label to progressivist/"liberal" policies you wish.

If what you really are interested in is "owning the product of your labor", I'm interested in how that has A. Anything to do with owning the means of production B. Anything to do with pretty much any progressivist policy ever

 

[Mort Divine]

It might not be the current popular usage due to the prevalence of social democracy in the current mainstream political realm. I won't disagree there, but wouldn't you similarly argue that capitalism is also not defined by the population at large as it is "theoretically" but that doesn't stop libertarians from saying that they desire a true capitalist society?

A. If the workers do not own the means of production, how can they own the results of their labor entirely? Abolish private ownership (nothing to do with ones personal property, no toothbrush strawmans necessary here) and have it owned collectively by the workers otherwise someone else will claim ownership.

B. It doesn't so you're not wrong there, so why not go with "progressivism for dummies" as it would be more accurate. You yourself disagreed with the description of Reagan as a conservative due to his ideology not aligning with conservative ideals enough. Why not hold yourself to that same standard here?

 

[arg]

It entails nothing about taxation, social welfare programs, or even the nature of the state etc.

Arguments based on those are invalid because they are not necessary aspects of what socialism is.

modern socialism bastardized the original definition to include aspects of communism