If Mort Divine ruled the world

[mutantllama]

I've been told to smile before. Didn't really think about it again until you brought it up

I had a feminist moment today. This slick fuckin salesguy at my work walked by and said 'Smile!' And the most polite thing I could muster back was 'Yeah I just have one of them faces'. Which is true, I have resting sadmad face.

I have never heard a dude complain of the same indignity, maybe it doesn't piss you people off as much.

 

[Einherjar86]

This is only going to keep escalating.

No, it isn't. Over four-thousand campuses in America--little moments like this don't signify some kind of sweeping movement.

 

[CiG]

No, it isn't. Over four-thousand campuses in America--little moments like this don't signify some kind of sweeping movement.

No what I mean is, these videos will spread and now hordes of Trumptards will decide to carry guns next. The size of a movement is irrelevant in the era of mass sharing via the internet.

 

[Einherjar86]

Aha. Well, that might be true.

 

[CiG]

I hope it doesn't happen, but I've never seen a more politically divided America in my life.

 

[rms]

I started noticing that too on the local news facebook feed here. The college I go to had some shitty weather right before spring break and students were like "ya, maybe it shoulda got cancelled" (~18 inches of snow over 24 hrs, no ploughing. I drove in it, was pretty gay)

and half the feed was "fucking snowflakes, maybe Obama shoulda drove for you"

it's like damn bruh

 

[rms]

just sat through an hour lecture about how veiling women and forcing them to be domesticated was empowering in African societies

so triggered

 

[Dak]

Spreading Western culture is colonizing but spreading Islamic culture is not. Otay.

 

[rms]

literally argued that because women are relegated to the home by their husbands dominance that these women can now undertake in learning how to market and trade their household items or cooking

=/

 

[Dak]

literally argued that because women are relegated to the home by their husbands dominance that these women can now undertake in learning how to market and trade their household items or cooking

=/

This is the unsurprising result of a movement in perpetual search of a cause. This is even an intersectional development, as some college students want segregated campuses for the good of minorities, and women who accuse immigrant men of rape and sexual assault are xenophobic bigots and/or should modify their behavior to avoid being provocative.

 

[rms]

and im doing a group project thing for this Africana conference on saturday and its centered on the pros/cons of Islam/Christianity on the development of Africa and the chicks in my group just argued for moral relativism and that universal laws shouldn't exist

this shit is too much

 

[Einherjar86]

Morality is relative. That's just how it is. It's purely subjective. And universal laws probably don't exist; but it shouldn't be presented as an ultimatum, i.e. "you can either have feminism, or else there are universal laws." We can be feminists and criticize the way that Islamic women are treated in non-Western countries.

Sounds like it may be a poorly handled class. Sorry.

 

[rms]

Morality is relative.

you're being literal when you know the phrase "moral relativism" has a clear meaning, one that sympathizes and allows certain cultures/societies/countries to participate in terrible acts. I would say objectively horrible for some and obviously muddled when you want to add more to the 'list.'

And universal laws probably don't exist; but it shouldn't be presented as an ultimatum

not entirely or generally, but there are certain issues where IMO you cannot claim to be a 'feminist' while also supporting an anti-woman position. One position that I argued is that women should, universally, be allowed to any amount of sexual freedom they desire.

Sounds like it may be a poorly handled class. Sorry.

I can just see the conflict in our prof's eyes. Born and raised in Nigeria and a christian and he married a white woman, one I suspect is an anthropologist. But today was so ridiculous and, apparently, only me and another hetero white male (har har) are perplexed by the audacity of the information.

I even told him after class the way he presented the information was disingenuous and overly sympathetic in response to generalizations from Westerners in the 20th and 21st centuries. Didn't seem to happy about that, and he tried to tell me this one islamic region in Nigeria cared about domestic violence/criminalities against women in the home more than any place on Earth and I was just like "bruhhhhhhhhh they would literally be the only society on Earth to ever do this"

 

[Einherjar86]

you're being literal when you know the phrase "moral relativism" has a clear meaning, one that sympathizes and allows certain cultures/societies/countries to participate in terrible acts. I would say objectively horrible for some and obviously muddled when you want to add more to the 'list.'

Cultural relativism =/= moral relativism.

And how is moral relativism to be taken if not literally? It literally means that morality is not objective; and that's probably true.

not entirely or generally, but there are certain issues where IMO you cannot claim to be a 'feminist' while also supporting an anti-woman position. One position that I argued is that women should, universally, be allowed to any amount of sexual freedom they desire.

I think there are certain times when that's true, it just can't be construed as a universal.

 

[rms]

Cultural relativism =/= moral relativism.

think i'm using the wrong term, I think i'm referring to cultural relativism but using moral. my bad

 

[Einherjar86]

It happens. Relativism in general is overused, and too easily relied upon. Different relativisms often blend together.

 

[Dak]

We can be feminists and criticize the way that Islamic women are treated in non-Western countries.

Obviously one can, but there's nothing that indicates that as the correct or eventually generally likely opinion. Progressive movements, insofar as they have any mass, are quite un-tethered. It's a witch hunt in search of witches, and preferably new exciting witches (cause old witches are so like, not the current year). Of course, we know from fashion and other areas that "new" is relative, and sometimes what used to be out is now in.

 

[CiG]

Morality is relative. That's just how it is.

Stealing, murder, rape being immoral seem to be quite objective to me.

 

[rms]

Stealing is definitely relative. Murder is the wrong word since it literally means illegal killing. Rape, yeah tough there to find instances of "good rape" lol

 

[no country for old wainds]

even the worst acts can seem righteous given the right contextual framework. re: rape, how about a situation where a woman revenge-rapes her rapist? could totally see an audience cheering that in a movie.