If Mort Divine ruled the world

[HamburgerBoy]

Pacifism is good?

More often than not yeah.

 

[Serjeant Grumbles]

Peace is what all true warriors strive for.

 

[CiG]

Pacifism dictates that you can't even physically defend yourself though.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Pacifism dictates that you can't even physically defend yourself though.

No it doesn't. Even devout Jainists might occasionally use self-defense under dire circumstances. In the context of hippies promoting pacifism to oppose unending drafts and war, I see no problem.

 

[CiG]

Gandhi recommended the Jews of Germany to oppose Hitler with non-violence: that's pacifism.

Even devout Jainists might occasionally use self-defense under dire circumstances.

= Even devout Jainists might occasionally break their own rules.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Gandhi recommended the Jews of Germany to oppose Hitler with non-violence: that's pacifism.

The smart ones did; they created boycotts and left the country. Fighting when you lack the numbers isn't always viable. Every attempt at self-defense and/or assassination by a Jew under Nazi Germany led to hundred-fold persecution.

That's just one form of pacifism regardless.

 

[CiG]

The smart ones did; they created boycotts and left the country. Fighting when you lack the numbers isn't always viable. That's just one form of pacifism regardless.

You don't oppose someone by leaving the country, you're just expanding pacifism's meaning at this point imo.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Well, looking it up I did forget about how extreme Gandhi was so I'll grant your point with respect to him particularly, but that's still one man and one pacifist movement. He no more represents all pro-pacifism views than Rothbard represents all libertarian views or Lenin all communist views.

 

[CiG]

Pacifism sounds nice but it's utterly useless in the face of oncoming violence and to the degree in which pacifists are able to face violence with violent resistance it's just them breaking their own rules of pacifism. And pacifism that wields violence in dire circumstances is basically just libertarianism with its NAP that also allows one to defend themselves against violence.

It's basically useless.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

On what basis do you define their rules for them?

I value uselessness more than I value short-term utilitarianist violence.

 

[Dak]

Pacifism with self defense is the NAP.

 

[CiG]

Exactly.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Pacifism with self defense is the NAP.

Sure. Is there some kind of political IP where one belief cannot become too similar relative to another belief without causing infringement?

 

[Dak]

Sure. Is there some kind of political IP where one belief cannot become too similar relative to another belief without causing infringement?

Well if there's a name for it, you can just use the name.

In other news, Australia is enjoying a culturally diverse Christmas.

 

[CiG]

In other news, Australia is enjoying a culturally diverse Christmas.

What happened now?

 

[rms]

I forget which thread Ein brought up Coates but here's a slate response/opinion to it

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/...nting_broadside_against_ta_nehisi_coates.html

 

[Dak]

What happened now?

The religion of peace put on an interactive show for Christmas shoppers in Melbourne.

Supposedly no "terror connection" at this time. Funny how "lone wolf" only describes a white person with mental illness. Words words words.

 

[CiG]

Probably just a radical Mennonite, Afghanistan is notorious for them.

 

[Dak]

I forget which thread Ein brought up Coates but here's a slate response/opinion to it

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/...nting_broadside_against_ta_nehisi_coates.html

Apparently West bullied Coates straight off of Twitter.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

Probably just a radical Mennonite, Afghanistan is notorious for them.

Is this a dry joke?