If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Dak]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1029798446650277888

 

[Einherjar86]

https://medium.com/s/greatescape/th...ion-is-a-history-of-border-walls-24e837246fb8

The History of Civilization Is a History of Border Walls

...and slavery, empires, feudalism, colonization, genocides, wars, yada yada yada...

But seriously, this isn't a knock against strong borders, just against the argument that because something has been a part of civilization and history means it should continue to be part of it.

 

[rms]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1029798446650277888

I bet he has a troll team for twitter

 

[Dak]

...and slavery, empires, feudalism, colonization, genocides, wars, yada yada yada...

But seriously, this isn't a knock against strong borders, just against the argument that because something has been a part of civilization and history means it should continue to be part of it.

The should indicates you think there's an option. It's clear that many things that were parts of various previous civilizations have been left in the proverbial dustbin of history, but we have borders and walls of all sorts, shapes, and sizes everywhere we turn. Moral outrage at a national border or wall indicates one either hasn't thought much on the subject, or has poor critical thinking skills.

 

[Einherjar86]

The should indicates you think there's an option. It's clear that many things that were parts of various previous civilizations have been left in the proverbial dustbin of history, but we have borders and walls of all sorts, shapes, and sizes everywhere we turn. Moral outrage at a national border or wall indicates one either hasn't thought much on the subject, or has poor critical thinking skills.

I'm not objecting morally to the existence of borders; I'm saying that arguing for something because it's been done for millennia is a poor argument.

I am morally (and ethically) outraged at the treatment of immigrants currently here, though.

 

[Dak]

I'm not objecting morally to the existence of borders; I'm saying that arguing for something because it's been done for millennia is a poor argument.

I am morally (and ethically) outraged at the treatment of immigrants currently here, though.

I'm not saying you're outraged morally at borders (although there is some aspect of it in your speaking of selective legal immigration and the ire towards illegals). But the vocal progressive left is certainly speaking of it in moral terms (Ocasio, etc).

I haven't read the book, but the point is that clear organization is key to civilization, and walls have been a very physical manifestation of that since time immemorial. You home network/computer has a "firewall" for the same reasons, as does BU's network (for instance).

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

... what a bunch of limp-wristed bastards.

 

[CiG]

Looks like a weird Christian cult or a bunch of Mormons at first glance. Creepy.

 

[The Ozzman]

Just looks like a bunch of Morts and The Butts to me

 

[CiG]

I bet every one of them has sexually harassed at least one of their female comrades.

 

[Dak]

At around 10 minutes in, SJWs support FGM.

 

[The Ozzman]

Asia Argento: "We need to eliminate rape culture and implicit approval of sexual harassment by men from society! #metoo"
Also Asia Argento:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-asia-argento-accuser-20180819-story.html

Asia Argento, an actress and director at the center of the #MeToo movement, recently paid off a former child actor who said she sexually assaulted him in a Marina del Rey hotel room when he was 17, the New York Times reported Sunday.

Argento, 42, settled a notice of intent to sue from Jimmy Bennett, who in 2004 played her son in a film, for $380,000 in the months after she publicly accused Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein of sexually assaulting her, the newspaper reported. In California, the age of consent is 18. Bennett is now 22.

According to the Times, the alleged sexual assault on May 9, 2013, and the payment agreement that followed are laid out in documents between lawyers for Argento and Bennett that the newspaper received through encrypted email from an unknown source. The New York Times report did not state that Argento admitted any wrongdoing. The newspaper cited three unnamed sources as confirming the authenticity of the documents.

On the day of the alleged assault, Argento and Bennett met for a reunion at the Ritz-Carlton in Marina del Rey. The pair have referred to each other as mother and son on social media. Argento posted a photo on that day showing her hugging Bennett, referring to him as “My son my love,” and included the month and year.

According to the New York Times, Bennett arrived at the hotel with a family member. Argento asked the family member to leave. When they were alone, she allegedly kissed the 17-year-old, removed his pants and performed oral sex, and then had sex with him, the newspaper reported.

Argento became a prominent voice in the #MeToo movement after telling the New Yorker that Weinstein raped her in 1997 when she was 21. Weinstein faces multiple charges of sexual assault and rape, but none of the charges involve Argento’s claim.

A source with knowledge of the deal confirmed to The Los Angeles Times that there was a negotiated settlement with Bennett after he leveled the claims against her last year.

Argento was in a relationship with celebrity chef, author and TV host Anthony Bourdain, who helped her navigate the matter, the New York Times reported. Bourdain killed himself in June.

 

[CiG]

It used to be some socially conservative "muh family values" politician being caught in a homosexual/pederasty sex scandal.

Now instead it's some feminist being revealed to be a sex pest/harasser/rapist.

 

[The Ozzman]

It used to be some socially conservative "muh family values" politician being caught in a homosexual/pederasty sex scandal.

Now instead it's some feminist being revealed to be a sex pest/harasser/rapist.

It's coming full circle, man. No one will be safe soon.

 

[CiG]

Puritans always set themselves up to be destroyed in this way.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

sex pest

I love this term.

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

Rose McGowan Reacts to Asia Argento Reportedly Paying Off Assault Accuser: "My Heart Is Broken"

Can't help but wonder if this will lead to some on the left moving the goal posts even further when it comes to female perpetrators, regardless if you think this guy was "assaulted" or not. This did jump out though:

Bennett originally asked for $3.5 million in damages. TheTimes also reported that Bennett had filed a lawsuit against his parents for withholding his earnings from him, for ultimately cheating him out of $1.5 million. It was settled for undisclosed terms. Bennett and Argento continued to keep in touch after the alleged attack.

 

[Einherjar86]

There's a bit of a kerfuffle going on in academia right now because of the whole Avital Ronell thing. A bunch of academics signed a letter protesting her firing, and the language of that letter was severely disappointing. I've read that the reasoning behind the letter is complicated, but it doesn't justify the rhetoric. It's the same bullshit trotted out to defend male harassers.

For what it's worth, colleagues of my generation are pissed about the letter. If that's not evidence of variability within "the left" when it comes to issues of sexual harassment, I don't know what is.

 

[CiG]

Variability? Sounds more like hypocrisy.