If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Einherjar86]

Cool, I'll listen to the clip a bit later.

I'm not saying he can't speak for others, but he cannot speak as others, which is what he does on more than one occasion in this relatively short debate, and what he does as a writer. I wrote that out as I did to mimic what he says in the above referenced clip.

How do you define "speaking for" versus "speaking as"?

His essays are intensely personal affairs; he's hardly speaking as someone else. He writes as others in his fiction... but then, so does literally every author of fiction.

I would imagine that African Americans would like, to put it simply, peace and prosperity. All the handouts and handups and victimization rhetoric in the world have made nary a dent in the problem of prosperity for the majority. Haven't helped in any post-colonial nations either to my knowledge. None of that is to say that there isn't some amount of truth in some of the rhetoric, or that some haven't been helped by policies meant to assist. Just that it's not providing any sort of mass conversion to a new paradigm, if you will. Tripling down isn't a move that's supported by the evidence at hand.

For the sake of winding this down, I'll concede the apparent futility of current discourses on race relations.

But that doesn't necessarily mean Baldwin misdiagnosed anything, or that his words at that time were unimportant. He's arguably one of the most important thinkers/writers for drawing the questions and contradictions of racial identity to the surface.

 

[CiG]

Crossing the divide. Do men really have it easier? These transgender guys found the truth was more complex.

Interesting article from last year.

Not that it exposes anything most men don't already know.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

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Crossing the divide. Do men really have it easier? These transgender guys found the truth was more complex.

Interesting article from last year.

Not that it exposes anything most men don't already know.

Huh
The article was written in 2018, and somehow managed to look almost identical to an article that I had already read 10 or 12 years ago

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

https://www.pop.org/forced-abortion-still-mandated-chinas-planned-birth-laws/

 

[Dak]

Cool, I'll listen to the clip a bit later.

How do you define "speaking for" versus "speaking as"?

When you get a chance to listen to the clip, you'll see what I was talking about. Baldwin had his own battles to fight, but picking cotton and building railroads or whatever wasn't one of them.

In other news, in defending her "Green New Deal" magic unicorn cloning program:

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1093702448231804928

 

[rms]

People are really obsessed with her though, her own party doesn't even like her ideas haha

 

[Dak]

 

[CiG]

One of the most insufferable Rogan interviews I've watched in recent memory.

 

[CiG]

Alex Jones And Joe Rogan Are In The Midst Of A Hilarious Feud.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

 

[rms]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/yale-f...-at-fraternity-events-ask-to-integrate-women/

I like this, instead of saying that women are lame, rather spin it and claim you're a great hero attempting to fix frat culture

"A fraternity party wasn't any of our first choice, but it was kind of the only choice for the first couple of months at school," McNeil said.

 

[Dak]

 

[Einherjar86]

He's been saying similar stuff for a while now. I've mostly stopped paying attention to him, but not because of any objection I have to what he says in that video. I stopped paying attention because the vast majority of what he says is stuff he's already written about twenty years ago.

I completely understand the accusation he's highlighting, and I don't think that my knowledge or education means that I can tell those whom I identify as victims how to self-identify. That said, I maintain that there's a difference between talking about individual experiences and structural patterns/theories. It may not be the case that structural patterns and theories always correspond to individual experiences; in some cases, they may be directly opposed to experience and may even offend those who had the experiences. Furthermore, identifying structural patterns doesn't mean that those patterns can then be used to label or identify the individual experiences of those we claim to be affected by structural issues. Between individual experience and structural function lies a phase shift that warps every correlation we'd like to make. In some cases the correlations may hold and come through clearly; in others, they might look entirely counterintuitive.

I don't think this misalignment--if not contradiction--is cause for abandoning structural theories altogether, or even for significantly augmenting structural theories of disenfranchisement. To do so would be to commit the same kind of empiricist error that people make when they believe that getting contradictory experimental results means we need to abandon theoretical claims. When scientists get results--even repeated results--that refute theoretical premises, they don't throw the theory out altogether. Newtonian mechanics didn't become obsolete when Einstein published his theories of relativity, and are in fact still important for things like going to the Moon. Contradictory results mean that other theories can come into play that help us refine older ones. If anything, I'd say that the professed experiences of "victims" (however we apply this term) signal not the obsolescence of structural theories, but ways in which our understanding of structural effects can be sharpened.

It will almost certainly be the case that structural theorizing will never account for individual experience. Žižek's right to point out that academics need to be cautious in presuming their theories allow them to communication with those they identify as "victims."

 

[The Ozzman]

 

[Dak]

Been seeing a bunch of 13/50 memes recently. Must be russian bots.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/yale-f...-at-fraternity-events-ask-to-integrate-women/

I like this, instead of saying that women are lame, rather spin it and claim you're a great hero attempting to fix frat culture

"A fraternity party wasn't any of our first choice, but it was kind of the only choice for the first couple of months at school," McNeil said.

Women should be able to join fraternities instead of just having the sororities throw parties, WTF happened to USA??

 

[CiG]

So apparently some woman sexually assaulted an Info Wars reporter at the Women's March...

 

[Dak]

Shits locked down behind a paywall. Did they grab his junk?

 

[CiG]

Yeah I was just watching a video about it. She walked up to him and said something like "if it's okay for Trump to grab pussies..." and grabbed his junk, and then admitted on camera that she sexually assaulted him and said "arrest me" haha. Embarrassing shit.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

... god what a dumb cunt. Kind of says a lot about where American society is at today. It's shameful tbh