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CiG
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I didn't say all experimentation should be done at home, I'm speaking specifically about kids dressing in drag and twerking for adults in the middle of the street.
Also no, experimenting with your identity doesn't require socialising, if you're implying a blanket statement with that. Masturbation for example is a big part of identity experimentation in that it's part of the process of developing your sexual preferences, doesn't mean a 12 year old should take his dad's magazine and start fapping at a parade.
Also no, experimenting with your identity doesn't require socialising, if you're implying a blanket statement with that. Masturbation for example is a big part of identity experimentation in that it's part of the process of developing your sexual preferences, doesn't mean a 12 year old should take his dad's magazine and start fapping at a parade.
Einherjar86
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Beauty pageants have sexualized children for much longer than pride parades have. It makes me uncomfortable that people are so eager to leap on the use of children in these parades, but somehow beauty pageants just pass us by unremarked.
There are probably phases to this though. Maybe early phase experimenting doesn't require socialization, but at some point people need to experience their identity within a social situation.
There are probably phases to this though. Maybe early phase experimenting doesn't require socialization, but at some point people need to experience their identity within a social situation.
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Yeah I think so.
But I mean, I never considered masturbation (i.e. how people masturbate at home) to be part of someone's identity..?
CiG
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I didn't say masturbation was part of someone's identity.
Sure. When I said "privacy of the home" I assumed people understood that this would involve social interaction with the child's family, but I guess Onder assumes kids live at home alone or something lmao.
Both are gross.
Sure. When I said "privacy of the home" I assumed people understood that this would involve social interaction with the child's family, but I guess Onder assumes kids live at home alone or something lmao.
Both are gross.
CiG
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What you masturbate to is relevant to identity, not that we masturbate in the first place. Similarly, eating is how we can explore cultures, that's not the same as saying eating food is a part of culture, it's what food we eat and how that is relevant to cultural identity.
CiG
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Well I sure don't want the things I masturbate to to be part of my identity. It's mostly retarded Russian girls trying to make some cash in California.
Sounds pretty typically heterosexual lol.
Funerary_Doom
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Whoa I guess I wasn’t considering the pride parades. I guess what I’m thinking about is like... you know how some kids’ Instagram becomes popular? I don’t think all those people who follow said kid are child predators. Maybe it’s just a bunch of adults who just think the kid is adorable.
Maybe a bit naive, but I don’t always think instances where children are modeling or whatever (in pageants or in parades) to be sexual unless they are dressed in a provocative way or something. Suppose it depends, and it’s hard to say what’s appropriate and what’s not unless looking at something specific. All girls will put on makeup before they are adults and play dress up for fun. Especially now, where they can record and take pictures and stuff. And adults I feel are always going to admire kids, and it’s not always in a sexual way. Like, looking at prom pictures or something. It’s sorta amazement like wow these little people are actually going to replace us, type amazement.
I suppose I don’t know enough about the beauty pageant and pride parade industries in general to speak on them. Was just saying that adults who’ve formed some sort of attachment to kids like seeing them grow
Maybe a bit naive, but I don’t always think instances where children are modeling or whatever (in pageants or in parades) to be sexual unless they are dressed in a provocative way or something. Suppose it depends, and it’s hard to say what’s appropriate and what’s not unless looking at something specific. All girls will put on makeup before they are adults and play dress up for fun. Especially now, where they can record and take pictures and stuff. And adults I feel are always going to admire kids, and it’s not always in a sexual way. Like, looking at prom pictures or something. It’s sorta amazement like wow these little people are actually going to replace us, type amazement.
I suppose I don’t know enough about the beauty pageant and pride parade industries in general to speak on them. Was just saying that adults who’ve formed some sort of attachment to kids like seeing them grow
Einherjar86
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In what I'm sure will be an unpopular opinion, I'll just say that beauty pageants are far more guilty of sexualizing children than pride parades are. Children can attend pride parades 100% without it being sexual, because expressing support for the LGBTQ community isn't a sexual act in the slightest. I can see how people might view children dancing as a kind of sexualization, but I don't think that's the only possibility.
I'm not talking here about the young trans child who dances in clubs. That's a more complicated scenario and more difficult to dissociate from sexuality, for sure.
Beauty pageants are, in their very form and function, about idealizing and marketing female beauty standards that are wrapped up in sexual expectations. Very different than pride parades.
I'm not talking here about the young trans child who dances in clubs. That's a more complicated scenario and more difficult to dissociate from sexuality, for sure.
Beauty pageants are, in their very form and function, about idealizing and marketing female beauty standards that are wrapped up in sexual expectations. Very different than pride parades.
Dak
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Beauty pageants are more about sexuality than are parades about the types of sex people like to have. Okay.
Einherjar86
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Dak
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I just figured I could eliminate 3 paragraphs of mental gymnastics to state the approved opinion concisely in one sentence. You could do that as well. This is why French intellectuals after Bastiat are so passé.
CiG
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Yeah I don't think all instances of kids modelling are sexual, usually just when it's done provocatively like you say here.
I agree. Just on number of years both things have existed alone, beauty pageants are worse for it. Especially if you consider that the type of "beauty" these kids are being measured by, and are conforming to in their attire, is entirely an adult one.
They're not complicated, they're just disgusting.
Dak
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What is the consistent kid version of beauty? (And who cares what kids fucking think?)
https://www.takimag.com/article/ta_nehisi_coates_all_is_fog_steve_sailer/#.XQrNef11TE0.twitter
Pat is, unless I'm somehow mistaken, a TNC apologist, while I have consistently agreed with McWhorter.
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