If Mort Divine ruled the world

[CiG]

I think it sucked. But if we’re comparing the two, it’s really not a contest.

I'm not making it a contest, just pointing out some rapists, racists and xenophobes who have held office in our lifetime.

Oh. Ok then.

Well he's not. Unless you're defining "establishment politician" as anybody literally working within the establishment? For one he totally undermines political decorum that establishmentarians so value.

he’s as big a schemer as the Clintons.

Dumb shit like this does your argument no favours.

Are you kidding? Did you see the video I posted? Democratic voters are hardly letting Bloomberg off the hook, they’re calling him out left and right.

No shit, that's not what I'm saying. I said voters will be expected to believe he's changed, and that Democrats (as in politicians and insiders) will have to play defense for his past because the alternative would be to throw him under the bus and tank his campaign (which would undermine their goal that supersedes all else: #DumpTrump).

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Child separation was such a meme, he tried it for a few months, received backlash, ended it, and that was basically the whole story. If we're going to cry about non-Americans, might as well start talking about the slave markets that reopened in Libya with the death of Gaddafi at Obama and Clinton's hands. Or a million brown people killed as a result of W's desert adventures. The "cages", those genocidal mylar blankets that trigger everyone, etc, were almost all Obama policies back when Dems could pretend to not be open borders. Most US presidents from Reagan up to Trump have had more in common than in difference due to the way our naturally legislative-biased government is set up, the biggest difference in practice always being the appointment of federal judges.

 

[Einherjar86]

I'm not making it a contest, just pointing out some rapists, racists and xenophobes who have held office in our lifetime.

Like Trump?

Well he's not. Unless you're defining "establishment politician" as anybody literally working within the establishment? For one he totally undermines political decorum that establishmentarians so value.

Political decorum is performance. Establishment is what ties you have behind the scenes, what monetary sway you have. Trump is establishment through and through.

Dumb shit like this does your argument no favours.

Dumb responses like this do yours none either.

No shit, that's not what I'm saying. I said voters will be expected to believe he's changed, and that Democrats (as in politicians and insiders) will have to play defense for his past because the alternative would be to throw him under the bus and tank his campaign (which would undermine their goal that supersedes all else: #DumpTrump).

What politicians and insiders?

The "cages", those genocidal mylar blankets that trigger everyone, etc, were almost all Obama policies back when Dems could pretend to not be open borders. Most US presidents from Reagan up to Trump have had more in common than in difference due to the way our naturally legislative-biased government is set up, the biggest difference in practice always being the appointment of federal judges.

So they can’t be worth protesting now...

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So they can’t be worth protesting now...

They could be, but they aren't. Illegal actions have legal consequences. Don't invade sovereign nations and expect to not be arrested and detained. The primary reasons Dems pretend it's a big deal is simply because they want dividends in the form of future voters.

 

[Einherjar86]

They could be, but they aren't. Illegal actions have legal consequences. Don't invade sovereign nations and expect to not be arrested and detained. The primary reasons Dems pretend it's a big deal is simply because they want dividends in the form of future voters.

“Invade” huh? Wow...

 

[CiG]

Like Trump?

I'm saying Obama and Clinton are racists and xenophobes by your standards, not mine. So of course it would follow that Trump is one too. Not sure why you think he's a rapist though.

Political decorum is performance. Establishment is what ties you have behind the scenes, what monetary sway you have. Trump is establishment through and through.

I agree a lot more when you put it that way, even though majority of the establishment wants him out and when he was running for POTUS there were even #NeverTrump-ers on the right, and Mitt Romney recently tried to stick his dick in Trump's butt.

Dumb responses like this do yours none either.

If you say so, I still think it's utterly detached from reality to say Trump is as big a schemer as the Arkansas dreamteam.

What politicians and insiders?

The ones that want Trump out #BAMN. It's early days yet but I've already seen people in the media mount defenses. I'm not saying people won't throw him under the bus, I think Warren already has, but there's a definite mood out there that they'll take Bloomberg over Trump without a second thought.

Keep in mind I said will have to not that they have, so asking which specific people is kind of missing the point.

 

[CiG]

People are sharing screenshots of Mike Bloomberg being in Epstein's black book as well as a photo Bloomberg took with Ghislaine Maxwell. Can't verify if the black book screenshots are doctored but the photo is legit, and there are articles from the past where Epstein was praising Bloomberg for some mayoral decision or other.

The floodgates are opening slowly on this cunt.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

“Invade” huh? Wow...

Caravans "migrate" huh? Wow...

 

[Einherjar86]

Ummmm yeah. They do.

It’s funny you accuse me of being sensationalist. It’s hardly an “invasion.” If you really believe that, you’re an absurdist fear monger.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

A million a year is an invasion. At no point in pre-2000 history would that be tolerated.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

If you really believe that, you’re an absurdist fear monger.

 

[Einherjar86]

A million a year is an invasion. At no point in pre-2000 history would that be tolerated.

A million a year coordinated is an invasion. We have no coordinated invasion of this country.

Also, thank goodness today is nothing like pre-2000 history.

Awww, sorry I triggered you, you little bitch.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

you little bitch.

... and i'm the one that's triggered?

 

[Einherjar86]

I mean, you responded to me.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

A million a year coordinated is an invasion. We have no coordinated invasion of this country.

Also, thank goodness today is nothing like pre-2000 history.

The caravans are literally coordinated by international "human rights" groups.

 

[rms]

Are you asking Ein to answer for Bloomberg? He was literally a republican during his term as mayor.

oops! memory said he went independent -> dem not repub -> independent, so disregard por favor.

Just an added feature to the argument, anyways. Lock up policy was significantly worse than stop and frisk, anyways.

He’s instituted things that are as bad (and stop and frisk was a local policy, not federal). The treatment of families along the border is demonstrably barbaric and unethical. His stripping of environmental policies that go back to the 1970 clean water act (and others) are an obscene affront to environmental progress in this country, and will have devastating impacts on local (mostly low-income) communities.

Pretty short handed to say any of these are "as bad" , without knowing the future. On a federal level, how many policies have more detriment than that within the last half/century? The child separation thing was garbage but it was a short term policy and will never reach the scope of said things.

For the clean water bill, let's be a little more even handed here and state that the policy reverted the country back to the wild times of...2015/4, when it was instituted by Obama. I don't think anyone can state how impactful this actually is so not sure what there is to be gained here. If my memory is right, Flint level contaminations are from now-known-bad infrastructure and not dumping, so are we then using this bill for large scale pipelines? Low population areas are never going to be as significant as every metro area with blacks in the country -- but they're all sellouts to big gas when election time comes. lower dem bills!

He’s actually released some African Americans from prison, but he’s done nothing regarding the act of arrest and prosecution. Basically, he wants black people to keep getting arrested so that he can release some of them and look like he’s doing good things for the African American community. The better course of action would be to implement policies for police and prosecutors, but then he’ll lose law enforcement votes.

I don't think he's pro-Black or whatever, but I also don't think he's done anything as harmful as known and accepted democratic policies. Hell, Warren's schtick is "When I get elected, NOW Dems will actually take care of minorities" a fucking joke

 

[Einherjar86]

The caravans are literally coordinated by international "human rights" groups.

No they’re not. The political interests of human rights groups doesn’t somehow nullify the sufferings of those who migrate north.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The Central American migrant caravans,[1] also known as the Viacrucis del Migrante ("Migrant's Way of the Cross"),[2][3][4] are migrant caravans that travel from the Guatemala–Mexico border to the Mexico–United States border. The largest and best known of these were organized by Pueblo Sin Fronteras (Village Without Borders) that set off during Holy Week in early 2017 and 2018 from the Northern Triangle of Central America (NTCA), but such caravans of migrants began arriving several years earlier, and other unrelated caravans continued to arrive into late 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_American_migrant_caravans

Wow that was sure hard to find.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

a guy who lives in Georgia or wherever is going to lecture a guy who's from San Diego about immigration and migrant invasion. this dude never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Einherjar86]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_American_migrant_caravans

Wow that was sure hard to find.

You assume that the intervention of human rights groups somehow negates the genuine desires of migratory groups. This hardly amounts to an orchestrated invasion. Please, try harder.

a guy who lives in Georgia or wherever is going to lecture a guy who's from San Diego about immigration and migrant invasion. this dude never ceases to amaze me.

A guy who lives in Georgia? Sit down bruh, you drunk.