HamburgerBoy
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I didn't realize that an invasion ceased to be an invasion when there are "genuine desires" involved.
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Einherjar86
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It does when those desires belong to individual persons and families.
The Norman Conquest of England was an invasion. The Mongol assault on China was an invasion. The Visigoths’ sack of Rome was an invasion. The Russians storming through Germany was an invasion. Sherman’s march through the south was an invasion.
The migration of Central Americans northward isn’t an invasion. But keep up your rhetoric, it’s amusing.
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Doesn’t matter what you call it, we need a government that will shut the door on all foreign needy people’s asses and eliminate all public spending on them.
I especially love the “public charge” policy this administration is pushing. So fucking logical it’s ludicrous that we’re only doing it now
https://www.uscis.gov/legal-resources/final-rule-public-charge-ground-inadmissibility
I especially love the “public charge” policy this administration is pushing. So fucking logical it’s ludicrous that we’re only doing it now
https://www.uscis.gov/legal-resources/final-rule-public-charge-ground-inadmissibility
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in·va·sion | \ in-ˈvā-zhən
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Definition of invasion
1 : an act of invading
in·vade | \ in-ˈvād
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invaded; invading
Definition of invade
transitive verb
1 : to enter for conquest or plunder
2 : to encroach upon : infringe
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Definition of invasion
1 : an act of invading
in·vade | \ in-ˈvād
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invaded; invading
Definition of invade
transitive verb
1 : to enter for conquest or plunder
2 : to encroach upon : infringe
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Yeah but who cares, the caravans aren't plundering university/media/political/financial sector jobs.
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tbh I don't even care that much about the job aspect, it's true that fruit-picking is highly unpopular among American citizens, particularly at sub-minimum wages. The ones that come in caravans bring something far more dangerous than suppressed wages and cheap lawn services: they bring pregnant women and young children, the cornerstone of ghettos and over-crowded public schools. Costs the taxpayer $10k/yr for each kid enrolled at a public school, and these creaturas pop one out every two years. Emergency room abuse and welfare subsidies are the cherry on the top. Then they form micro ethnostates in urban areas and rubber stamp every similarly-colored Democratic candidate that promises more gibs. The fucking Irish took over Massachusetts more than 150 years ago and even they're still party loyalists to this day. When the Hispanics control every border state and half of the nation's cities for good measure, we're finished.
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True, I compete with Chinese and Indian H1B visa holders instead (and don't really have an issue with that). I remember when I was a young kid (circa 2000) we lived in a house with a big lawn, and we had this Scottish guy (accent and all) as our yardman, who'd spend a good couple hours a week taking care of things. More of a jolly Santa-like figure than a Groundskeeper Willie. The idea of a solo white dude making a decent living just doing lawn work is so foreign just one generation later.
TechnicalBarbarity
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how dare you use the proper definition of the word here, you fear mongering bigot!
Einherjar86
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You actually think this is what's happening? And I'm the one dissociated from reality.
Those kids and pregnant women man, such a threat.
CiG
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Depends how you define threat. Nobody is saying they're charging border agents with scimitars.
Einherjar86
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To define their presence as a threat is a purely rhetorical gesture. It inflates homegrown anxieties and elides the social opportunities of working with caravans to admit them peacefully and humanely.
There is no invasion and no threat in any viable sense of the word. That doesn't mean there isn't a problem though, and one that can't be solved by simply admitting those in the caravans without any managerial process involved.
There is no invasion and no threat in any viable sense of the word. That doesn't mean there isn't a problem though, and one that can't be solved by simply admitting those in the caravans without any managerial process involved.
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Einherjar86
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That's not a severely privileged take or anything.
I like how when I start getting close to the heart of the matter, the sound of my privilege drowns out the content of my comments. What am I supposed to say to this? It is a privileged position. But I don't buy for one second that you're somehow more equipped to speak on this matter than I am.
CiG
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What a megalomaniacal response, holy shit. The heart of the matter? I'm merely pointing out that you don't perceive these things as threats because it's not your community being impacted, nor is it your profession. I on the other hand very much have to consider immigration (both legal and illegal) in the context of existential threat. I'm a self-employed contractor, I can be undercut by cheap labour you fucking dunce.
Einherjar86
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See, this I can actually respond to.
My community actually is being impacted. I've already mentioned that I have colleagues whose lives have been shaken by Trump's immigration policies. I have colleagues who are Iranian, South/Central American, and Asian. I'm not alienated from what's happening, although it's a different dimension than what's happening at the border. Most of my knowledge about that comes from scholarship and what I've heard from my colleagues.
Speaking of muh privilege, my wife and I had an amazing and philosophically traumatizing experience in a Savannah bar.
We met this shrimper and who we thought was his wife (turned out to be his ex-girlfriend--guess they're both single now and maybe needed a good fuck? who knows), and my wife struck up a conversation. They were nice, and so we bought them a round. This guy was all Georgia, shirt unbuttoned and white chest hair hanging out, clearly drunk and with a ridiculous accent. He was fun and nice to talk to, and we enjoy meeting people.
Anyway, eventually he starts talking about racism in America (unprovoked by me--I don't start on politics with total strangers), and he says that what sticks in his craw is that Native Americans get the short shrift when it comes to talks about racism. I tried to make a neutral comment about how discussions on racism need to be inclusive, and that dealing with the suffering of different groups is complicated... at which point he cut me off and said, "It's not complicated, it's simple. You wanna know how I know that?"
He looks from me to my wife and back to me. "You want me to tell you how I know that?"
So I nod and say "well sure!"
Shrimper: "Guys, let me tell you: I was visited by my creator. It wudn't a burnin' bush, or a boomin' voice. It was... a conversation. And you know what he said to me? He told me, Gary--you need to do somethin' about this shit. That's what he said. And it dudn't matter what religion you are. You think diff'rent religions all got diff'rent creators?"
At this point he pauses, and we realize he's asking us. I was on the verge of saying I don't think there is a creator, but thankfully my wife jumps in and says, "Well, I haven't been visited, so I can't say!"
Shrimper: "Well, I have. And I know. And you know wut? Our creator made us in his image. You know that?"
Anyway, this went on for about fifteen minutes before I told him we had to meet friends, and we got the fuck out of there. Dude thought he was mainlining the secret truth of the universe.
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CiG
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Might be easier for me if you're less vague, what happened? Can they no longer work in the US? Did they return to their country of origin for a holiday and have trouble getting back in to the US?
Not really sure how that would be similar to what poor and working class citizens go through when a huge influx of low/unskilled labourers pour into their communities and make an already difficult situation even worse for them. That's not even taking into consideration all the new gang activity that spikes with large influxes of poverty-level immigration, let alone the negative impacts of specifically illegal immigration.
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