TechnicalBarbarity
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i think its amazing that this would even need to be stated. Shows just how scummy a lot of people in this country can be.
You're such a spineless pos.
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CiG
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You don't know someone will be a great president until well after they've served so that's kind of a moot point.
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You could apply that logic to any candidate along any metric, unless you're making the argument that past examples can be used to extrapolate future ones. In which case:
Grover Cleveland was accused of rape, and further yet married his friend's daughter, having first met his future wife when he purchased a crib for her shortly after birth. Also one of America's greatest presidents.
Trump may have raped his wife in addition to other women, and is the greatest meme to serve office.
Ronald Reagan was accused of raping an actress, and he is basically god to Republicans.
Bill Clinton was accused of rape and his presidency was one of America's best, albeit a hollow one that gutted future potential of the nation.
So if anything, rapeiness in a president is a selling point. Though that being said, James Hammond, Dennis Hastert, and Ted Kennedy were rapists and terrible members of Congress, so I guess it means that you have to be a state-level rapist before becoming a worthy president.
CiG
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Missing the point quite epicly. I'm not talking about whether rape precludes one from being a great anything, I'm saying I personally wouldn't vote for someone I believed was a rapist.
TechnicalBarbarity
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Einherjar86
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I believe that CIG is making an appeal to normative moral standards rather than an "all things being equal" assessment of presidentiality.
In this case, one of the accused assaulters is already in office; so voting for Biden is virtually the same thing as voting Trump out. I don't think there's a morally sound choice, but that doesn't mean it's rational to abstain from making one.
In this case, one of the accused assaulters is already in office; so voting for Biden is virtually the same thing as voting Trump out. I don't think there's a morally sound choice, but that doesn't mean it's rational to abstain from making one.
TechnicalBarbarity
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... the fact that you're buying into the politically weaponized version of what rape is, and not the actual act of raping someone, is amazing tbh.
And im not suprised that a sociopath like you, or a spinless cunt like ein would take the "whatyagonnado" route, even if these people were actual rapists. You guys are trash.
And im not suprised that a sociopath like you, or a spinless cunt like ein would take the "whatyagonnado" route, even if these people were actual rapists. You guys are trash.
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Talking about belief here. I don't believe Biden or Trump raped someone (doesn't mean I don't think it's possible) and if they were actual rapists the law would step in and at the very least they wouldn't be running. What you're talking about is whether being accused of a sex crime is negatively correlated with performance.
The context is that the left broadly speaking holds to a #believe ideology and so wanting to vote for someone they believe is a rapist because they believe the other guy is a rapist exposes a hypocrisy in their worldview.
Setting aside the morality of the choice (yes I'd abstain if deciding solely on moral grounds) I think it's rational not to vote in a warmonger with the blood of hundreds of thousands of lives on his hands (not to mention the trillions of dollars wasted in Iraq). If they're both rapists, all things are still not equal.
TechnicalBarbarity
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dat critical thinking doe
if you think they''re both rapists then voting in Biden is still you basically voting in a rapist
it means you're a spinless fuck who cant put aside his political bias and cares more about the political leaning of a candidate than anything else. Im just glad that you're approaching this in a such a shameless attitude, now maybe others can see what kind f person you really are.
The only person person who had a respectable response was CIG.
TechnicalBarbarity
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sshhhh. That seems to irrelevant here
The man is a serial rapist because he said "he grabs women by the pussay".
If that kind of talk makes you into a rapist then 85% of men would be in jail right now. I dont think ein has ever been in a locker room with men before. Probably spent more time in dressing rooms at with his momma.
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The political leaning of a political candidate is the most important consideration to make. If you cared about not serving rapists you wouldn't live miles from Hollywood.
Rape and other sex crimes are only brought up to prevent other political actions from taking place. That #BelieveHer is a thing doesn't inherently imply that voting against rapists is a #1 priority. There are countless rapes every day and the few more that might take place by a rapist president do not necessarily offset the potential rapes that result from his non-rapist opponent's policies. For example, war is universally associated with rape. Every president that has sent troops into a war zone has facilitated mass rape on a scale that a Bill Clinton could not achieve even with a free one-year-pass to Epstein Island and lifetime supply of Viagra. Every governor that refuses to allow women to ccw on streets or that refuses to pass one-party-consent recording laws is enabling mass rape, while creating an image of a strong police state. Arguably, even bans on prostitution result in an increase in rape (e.g. Rhode Island's rape rate went down during a loophole period where prostitution was legal for a few years).
Rape and other sex crimes are only brought up to prevent other political actions from taking place. That #BelieveHer is a thing doesn't inherently imply that voting against rapists is a #1 priority. There are countless rapes every day and the few more that might take place by a rapist president do not necessarily offset the potential rapes that result from his non-rapist opponent's policies. For example, war is universally associated with rape. Every president that has sent troops into a war zone has facilitated mass rape on a scale that a Bill Clinton could not achieve even with a free one-year-pass to Epstein Island and lifetime supply of Viagra. Every governor that refuses to allow women to ccw on streets or that refuses to pass one-party-consent recording laws is enabling mass rape, while creating an image of a strong police state. Arguably, even bans on prostitution result in an increase in rape (e.g. Rhode Island's rape rate went down during a loophole period where prostitution was legal for a few years).
Einherjar86
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Sure, but warmongering and foreign spending are other issues, which I'm saying a hypothetical voter would take into consideration. It sounds to me like you're conceding the point.
I never said I thought he was though. I knew your blind rage would get in the way of your reading comprehension eventually (not that it's very good to begin with).
I'm pretty sure you're the only one who cares this much.
CiG
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What point? I was addressing your comment about what's rational. I never pretended it was a decision based on rationale, it's a decision based on moral standards, which is exactly what #MeToo and #BelieveWomen is in the first place; moral condemnation. As HBB already pointed out, opposing someone because you believe they're a rapist isn't rational and this stands whether coming from me or the legions of #believers.
So we agree the #believers are insincere and inherently politically motivated then.
TechnicalBarbarity
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You forgot to quote the IF in my statement, you spinless faggot.
You implied TWICE that you would have no problem voting for someone if they happened to be a rapist. WACHAGONEDO BRAH lulzoh yes, says the guy who literally just said hes cool with voting for someone who he thinks might be a rapist just because he aint trump
I would never even entertain the idea of voting for someone that i actually thought raped a woman. Regardless of their political views.
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Not necessarily insincere. If you are a #Believer and vote for one neoliberal warhawk rapist over another, then you're probably insincere. If you are a #Believer and vote for a neoliberal warhawk rapist over an antiwar pro-lynching non-rapist, you could also just naive or stupid.
Einherjar86
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You forgot to quote the IF in my statement, you spinless faggot.
You have a hard time separating the comment from the commentator, don't you? This must be why you suck when it comes to having debates about challenging topics.
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